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Hurney, only Clausen supporter on the Staff

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blackcatgrowl Newbie

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Can't really blame Hurney for not singing a FA when the owner would'nt allow it

Is that fact? Do you have anything concrete to substantiate this?

I've heard this said before, but how can you pay Jake the money he got, and hand Peppers a one-year $16 Million dollar contract, and say ownership stopped them from going after Free Agents?

No, I think Hurney rested on his laurels. He said at the start of last year that we "had a good core, but needed a youth movement". This means to me they had a plan of their own that didn't include Veteran Free Agents.

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teeray Rookie

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Is that fact? Do you have anything concrete to substantiate this?

I've heard this said before, but how can you pay Jake the money he got, and hand Peppers a one-year $16 Million dollar contract, and say ownership stopped them from going after Free Agents?

No, I think Hurney rested on his laurels. He said at the start of last year that we "had a good core, but needed a youth movement". This means to me they had a plan of their own that didn't include Veteran Free Agents.

We have been on the same side on a lot of things blackcat but I think this is FO decisions. Richardson does not like spending money in FA. Frankly I agree with him

It isn't bc he is cheap, it is bc he thinks it is too expensive and he thinks people are FA for a reason. He will ask, "if he is so good how come his team doesn't want him"

He doesn't like retreads. He wants to work through the draft and spend his money on his core players

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fug Hurney. His head should be on the chopping block for not bringing in any Free Agent talent worth a damn for two years, the Jake Delhomme huge contract fiasco, the Franchising Peppers when we could have traded him fiasco, the Clausen bust, the AE fiasco, the potential Brown bust, the Dwayne Jarrett bust, the Ken Lucas bust... I could keep going...

He's been making big misteps for a few years now. It all just finally bit us in the ass last year.

I was actually a little disappointed he didn't go with Fox. If Rivera wants to make a name for himself, he's going to have to rattle Hurney's cage and by-pass him to get what he wants to make us a winning team again.

No money to bring in FA's 2 years ago and we were going young last year plus there weren't any great FA's that we could have had unless we got into a bidding war. If Jake didn't get the contract we couldn't have signed our draft picks that year, the extension saved some cap room. If we didn't franchise Peppers we couldn't have traded him, he would have been a FA, would you rather we traded him for less than his true value and look like we have been bullied by a player? Clausens been here a year, stop being so dramatic and saying hes a bust, you can't know he is. As said before the AE fiasco came from JR, but even if it didn't Hurney didn't know we were going to have the first pick of this draft, if we had an 8-8 record I don't think it would have been that big a deal, the general rule of drafting is that if you're trading a future pick for a pick in the current years draft you have to trade a pick that is 1 round better. The Brown bust? Give the guy a chance, 2 years here, both with awful DT's, when he has some help in the middle he might turn out a decent prospect. Yeah Jarrett was a bust, but he was a 2nd rounder, it isn't the end of the world and Hurney can't hit on everything. The Ken Lucas bust? He done a job while he was here, it wasn't like he turned up an awful player and didn't even see the field.

I'm not a Hurney apolagist, I just don't like to see people make stuff up without providing evidence to prove their point.

Edit: I probably should have broken the first paragraph into smaller chunks.

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jayflip Proficient

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Is that fact? Do you have anything concrete to substantiate this?

I've heard this said before, but how can you pay Jake the money he got, and hand Peppers a one-year $16 Million dollar contract, and say ownership stopped them from going after Free Agents?

No, I think Hurney rested on his laurels. He said at the start of last year that we "had a good core, but needed a youth movement". This means to me they had a plan of their own that didn't include Veteran Free Agents.

Decisions aren't made by Hurney alone. You better believe JR has a huge say in personnel matters. As far A's franchising JPep, yeah it was dumb, but that's something Hurney does behind JR's back. As for the Jake extension, well that was actually a brilliant move. It freed up neccessary cap space that year and was basically risk-free, assuming you understand that we all knew the CBA was set to expire and we would soon be in an uncapped year, effectively being able to dump all of the bad contracts and eat the dead salaries without them crippling our team. Or you could just read the moves on paper without understanding them and call Hurney an idiot.

Granted, the AE trade and EB trade were borderline retarded, don't just list the bad without acknowledging the good, or at least looking into the more relevant meanings behind certain moves. Cheers.

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Is that fact? Do you have anything concrete to substantiate this?

I've heard this said before, but how can you pay Jake the money he got, and hand Peppers a one-year $16 Million dollar contract, and say ownership stopped them from going after Free Agents?

No, I think Hurney rested on his laurels. He said at the start of last year that we "had a good core, but needed a youth movement". This means to me they had a plan of their own that didn't include Veteran Free Agents.

Didn't we go "all in" in 2009 by keeping that core of players together after the previous (successful) season, fail miserably, then start the whole "cheap" thing?

I 100% believe that JR was behind most of the decisions made last year. He's been pretty damn good for us the past decade, and I find it very difficult to believe he went into last season expecting good things.

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I'm not sure you can blame Hurney alone. I think Hurney alone is better than he is given credit for. I think he gets the bad rap due to, trying to balance between the agents, head coach and front office- mainly JR. Have another bad year or two then yeah, you have to start weighing your options.

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thefuzz Mentor

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I have never had a bad thought about Hurney for the Clausen pick, and probably never will. It was a fantastic value pick.

As for mis managing the cap, and having to sign Jake to a contract, that was awful, and should have been fired then.

Then came the Brown and Edwards picks, and I thought that he had lost his mind, or was honestly trying to run the team into the ground.

Should have been gone a long time ago.

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GM Marty Hurney is reportedly the only member of the Panthers' front office or coaching staff still maintaining faith in Jimmy Clausen as a potential starter.

Source: Rotoworld per SI.com, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/03/10/nfl-pro-days/index.html?eref=writers

Who is left besides Hurney who would know and be irresponsible enough to leak such garbage?

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