NFL Exec.: Cam Would Be Clear-Cut #1, If He Were White (And Other Valuable Nuggets)

[Peppers90 NC]

This.

Not to mention the strip club, club fights, worrying he'll get arrested comments smh.

While all this is true, I dont think there are a lot people on this board feeling this way. From what I can tell, the majority of this board is Pro-Cam. A small percentage just doesnt like him and may compare him to this, and the rest(like myself) just like other players slightly better. I do like Cam and am excited to the possibility, and thankfully I dont have to make this decision.

[Mr. Scot]

Why does the existence of racial bias require that it is the reason Cam Newton is not the "consensus #1 pick"? Racial bias didn't give him character concerns. It didn't give him footwork issues. It didn't give him only a year at a top college level. It didn't make him a terribly inconsistent passer. It didn't make him a one-read guy for most of his year (which limits film the NFL has on him reading a college defense).

Cam Newton may not be the *consensus* #1 pick, but he is certainly on EVERYONES list as a possibility (even those who do not like him), despite all his 'flaws', so if bias is present, it certainly isn't preventing him from being considered.

You must just be trolling :sosp:

[teeray]

There are plenty of quite legitimate things to question about Newton that have nothing to do with his race. Would you deny this?

I addressed this earlier in this thread. I'm not sure Cam has faced any racial bias at all. If he has it has had to do with overly critical of his skills (like questioning his intelligence) not his character.

The questions he has to answer about his character are his own doing even if I think they have been overblown. But that is on Cam not his race.

I think saying he has a fake smile and calling him disengenious without ever meeting him was a bit over the top and I have talked to two draftniks that completly agree with me and several journalists who agree with me as well.

Is he a Bama grad? Do you know?

[mav1234]

I addressed this earlier in this thread. I'm not sure Cam has faced any racial bias at all. If he has it has had to do with overly critical of his skills (like questioning his intelligence) not his character.

The questions he has to answer about his character are his own doing even if I think they have been overblown. But that is on Cam not his race.

I think saying he has a fake smile and calling him disengenious without ever meeting him was a bit over the top and have talked to two draftniks that completly agree with me and a couple journalists who agree with me as well.

Is he a Bama grad? Do you know?

Not unless he transferred. He was a linebacker at some midwestern school.

See, I haven't see many people being critical of Newton's intelligence. I see people questioning Mallett's more, despite Mallett having an above average wonderlic and newton having a below average wonderlic. I see people questioning if a QB who has had very limited reads in college can transition to the NFL but The Golden Calf of Bristol (closest comparison imo... similar offense, similar wonderlic) had the same questions.

I just don't see Cam as getting that much negative publicity about his intelligence, if any at all. Hell, most of what I hear is pretty positive about him that could project to his intelligen if you're talking about anything other than the reads he made in college.

[Davidson Deac II]

Well considering that almost every comment about Newton especially here on the huddle has been to compare him to Vick, Russell or Young rather than the other Young, Rodgers or Roethlisburger, it would seem that most folks are painting him with a decidedly black brush.

I wouldn't compare him to Vick at all. He will only be compared to Russel (for posterity) if he is a bust.

IMO, the Quarterback he seems to have the most in common with black or white is Josh Freeman.

[jpniner]

So to re-cap, something the Panthers now have to consider depending on if they Draft Cam or not, and the potential fall-out depending on how he then performs...

1) Don't draft Cam, he turns out to be great and all the Racist Cam supporters will blame the Cam skeptics and Panthers for not drafting a great QB when we had chance because of "Racism".

2) Draft Cam, and he stinks and all the 'racist' Cam skeptics get to blame the racist Cam supporters for ruining the franchise by playing the 'race' card in support of drafting Cam #1 instead of more solid picks and/or Gabbert.

How long until Jackson and Sharpton march on Mint against the Duke Lacrosse Players running the Panthers front office?

[jpniner]

The only reason Toby Gerhart was not a first round draft pick at Running back was due to racism!

[Mr. Scot]

I addressed this earlier in this thread. I'm not sure Cam has faced any racial bias at all. If he has it has had to do with overly critical of his skills (like questioning his intelligence) not his character.

The questions he has to answer about his character are his own doing even if I think they have been overblown. But that is on Cam not his race.

I think saying he has a fake smile and calling him disengenious without ever meeting him was a bit over the top and I have talked to two draftniks that completly agree with me and several journalists who agree with me as well.

Is he a Bama grad? Do you know?

Played linebacker at Illinois.

Like mentioned before, the "disingenuous" thing was also applied to Clausen. The reason stuff like that is talked about is because a load of the guys who fail don't do so for purely athletic reasons. Character matters, and scouts are pretty thorough when they report about character issues to teams.

(the "DB who's still a virgin" story speaks to just how far they'll go evaluating these guys)

Again, a lot of draft sites don't talk about the personal side. PFW does, and I don't really have a problem with that.

[Mr. Scot]

I wouldn't compare him to Vick at all. He will only be compared to Russel (for posterity) if he is a bust.

IMO, the Quarterback he seems to have the most in common with black or white is Josh Freeman.

I'd have said David Garrard.

[panthers55]

So to re-cap, something the Panthers now have to consider whether to draft Cam or not, and the potential fall-out depending on how he then performs...

1) Don't draft Cam, and be stuck with no real options especially if we can't find our guy in free agency. Risk allienating the fanbase further, having a poor year and getting the reputation as a franchise who doesn't want to do what it takes to win.

2) Draft Cam, take a chance that we have found our franchise guy and even if he fails we haven't sunk that much into him with a rookie cap. Meanwhile we have shown the fans that we are willing to do whatever it takes to win, get rid of the cheap label and demonstrate to all that the Fox era is over and the Rivera one has begun.

How long until the huddlers wake up and see that Cam supporters want to win. They don't trust our current options. It has nothing to do with race.

Fixed.:D

[Mr. Scot]

I addressed this earlier in this thread. I'm not sure Cam has faced any racial bias at all. If he has it has had to do with overly critical of his skills (like questioning his intelligence) not his character.

The intelligence questions aren't really general intellect so much as they are "can he read an NFL defense" and that has more to do with the system he played in than anything else.

And he's not the only one that's being asked about. This is from Gabbert's profile.

Worked exclusively out of the shotgun with pre-determined reads, and panic quickly set in when his primary read was covered. Loses poise — does not like to be hit and often sets deep in the pocket and flicks the ball or takes off running early at the hint of pressure. Footwork will require some overhauling. Often bird-dogs his primary target and too often drops his eyes and vacates the pocket prematurely...Still raw, inexperienced and underdeveloped.

[Mr. Scot]

How long until the huddlers wake up and see that Cam supporters want to win. They don't trust our current options. It has nothing to do with race.

Would you imply that the people who don't want Newton don't want to win?

[teeray]

Not unless he transferred. He was a linebacker at some midwestern school.

See, I haven't see many people being critical of Newton's intelligence. I see people questioning Mallett's more, despite Mallett having an above average wonderlic and newton having a below average wonderlic. I see people questioning if a QB who has had very limited reads in college can transition to the NFL but The Golden Calf of Bristol (closest comparison imo... similar offense, similar wonderlic) had the same questions.

I just don't see Cam as getting that much negative publicity about his intelligence, if any at all. Hell, most of what I hear is pretty positive about him that could project to his intelligen if you're talking about anything other than the reads he made in college.

I has tampered off some maybe by the draftniks but go back and read this very message board. Google Cam "Newton Wonderlic score" and weave your way through to what people (not draftnikss necessarily) were saying about the guy.

How many times have you heard people (including draftniks now) that have said "he has the ability I just worry about between his ears"

People had bigger concerns about Cam's ability to learn an NFL offense and read NFL defenses than they did for Colt McCoy. Some draftniks didn't even mention it for McCoy. If I had my computer I would have some examples.

But i am not sure Cam has been a victim of racial bias, I just get frustrated when people act like it is blasphemy.

[Peppers90 NC]

Would you imply that the people who don't want Newton don't want to win?

It's getting troublesome seeing some of the more "reasonable" posters start quoting KTisms.