Something I'm wondering about the franchise history drafting QBs...

[SorthNarolina]

Just a few questions wondering why we never drafted QBs.

Was it Fox's policy that trumped Hurney's, or were they in agreement about no 1st round QB?

Were Fox, Hurney, or both of them open to QBs, but they felt secure with Jake Delhome?

Did the FO just never feel like a QB was good enough compared to other prospects?

This draft certainly should shed some light on the situation. If we go BPA i think it shows Hurney also feels the same way about QBs.

[Mr. Scot]

It was Fox primarily, but Hurney did have to sign on.

Fox didn't believe in the "franchise QB" model. He followed the old school "get a safe guy that just won't screw up and win with defense" philosophy.

I have my doubts as to whether Fox was on board with drafting Clausen, but since he was a lame duck, why would it matter?

Hurney knows Rivera wants a franchise guy, so he'll go that route (but don't assume that means we take QB #1 in this draft).

[bleys]

If Newton appears to be the real deal in their eyes, they will draft him. Regardless of what philosophy they follow.

[teeray]

I think we might find out in 24 days.

[Mr. Scot]

The first ever Panthers pick was a guy that was supposed to be a franchise QB. That was before both Hurney and Fox, but it tells you that Richardson believes in the model.

Fox didn't, but Rivera does. I expect Hurney will adjust his methods to get the kind of players Rivera wants for his system.

Make no mistake though. Rivera is the new guy and Hurney is, for all intents and purposes, the god of Panthers football operations. The final word when it comes to football decisions is his, and the #1 pick this year will be his choice.

If it comes down to a difference of opinion between them, Hurney will be the one that wins.

[teeray]

The first ever Panthers pick was a guy that was supposed to be a franchise QB. That was before both Hurney and Fox, but it tells you that Richardson believes in the model.

Fox didn't, but Rivera does. I expect Hurney will adjust his methods to get the kind of players Rivera wants for his system.

Make no mistake though. Rivera is the new guy and Hurney is, for all intents and purposes, the god of Panthers football operations. The final word when it comes to football decisions is his, and the #1 pick this year will be his choice.

If it comes down to a difference of opinion between them, Hurney will be the one that wins.

This +1. But also Rivera and Hurney had a conversation about the position before he was hired. What was said? I have no idea but they are likely working together on the position.

[Fiz]

Just a few questions wondering why we never drafted QBs.

Was it Fox's policy that trumped Hurney's, or were they in agreement about no 1st round QB?

Were Fox, Hurney, or both of them open to QBs, but they felt secure with Jake Delhome?

Did the FO just never feel like a QB was good enough compared to other prospects?

I've written about this many times and in my opinion, even in retrospect, there was only once in the entire fox/hurney regime that you could justify spending a first on a quarterback, and that was after 2007.

Jake had missed the entire season and Joe Flacco was sitting there. However, it's only barely justifiable. Matt Moore had shown in the final three games he could more than execute the offense.

2003 draft - you wanted a LT. You got him

2004 draft - why would you draft a qb after jake took you to the superbowl and you felt you were (rightly) a few players away from a return?

2005 draft - jake had the best year of his career

2006 draft - jake took you to the nfc championship game

2007 draft - jake wasn't good but there was no run game, no 2nd receiver, adn the offensive line started to decay.

2008 draft - this was the one where you could justify taking flacco, and I really thought at the time they were going to. on the other hand, jake looked fantastic in limited action, and moore showed flashes at the end of the season.

2009 draft - no first rounder

2010 draft - no first rounder

it just never came up.

[Cyberjag]

Let's take a quick trip down memory lane here.

2002 - All of you people who criticize Hurney's inability to gauge QB talent should be happy he didn't jump on Harrington, or make an effort to get Carr.

2003 - With the 8th pick, we got an all-pro left tackle. With the 7th, the Jags got a bust (Leftwich). With the 19th the Ravens got Kyle Boller and with the 22nd the Bears took Grossman.

2004 - We traded up three spots to take Gamble. Maybe if we had sold the farm, we could have gotten up six more spots and taken J.P. Losman. And we also had a young Delhomme who had just brought us to the Super Bowl.

2005 - We take Davis at 14. And we join 23 other GMs in missing on Aaron Rodgers, who went just ahead of Jason Campbell at 24. And this is really the only pick where you can really say we missed on a first round QB. BTW, Delhomme went to the pro bowl in 2004, but I know several people here will claim they still knew better and that we needed a QB in the first round more than anything.

2006 - Coming off an NFC Championship appearance, we're stuck at 27 and take DeAngelo Williams. Maybe we could have traded up to 10 and taken Matt Leinart, or 11 and taken Jay Cutler, but I doubt anyone would have thought that wise...

2007 - Trade down from 14 to 24 and take Jon Beason. Probably could have gotten Brady Quinn instead, but I think we did ok.

2008 - Maybe we should have taken Flacco instead of Stewart, but he was considered a reach at the time at 19, and our pick was 13. He looks good now, but he's still not in the elite category.

2009 - No first round pick because we took Otah in 2008. Josh Freeman at 17 was considered a bit of a reach, but looks great now. Maybe we could have gotten that high, but I doubt it.

2010 - No first round pick because we took Brown in 2009. No way could we have gotten to Bradford at number one. Were you upset that we missed on The Golden Calf of Bristol?

I guess what I'm saying is, the argument that Hurney won't draft a QB in the first round is a bunch of poo. Anyone who says that is only basing it on Rodgers, and if that's the only thing you have, you may as well blame every GM in the league for missing on Brady. Simply put, he hasn't drafted one because he's smarter than you think, and other than Rodgers there hasn't yet been one worth drafting at our position.

[chknwing]

Well We could have drafted AAron Rodgers instead of Thomas Davis in 2005 and Flacco in 2008 but we chose Stewart and Otah instead. So apparently, they were happy with jake.

[teeray]

We should have signed Vick. :nonod: proven commodity and was cheap. Even if he failed we would have had little invested I him.

Guess we just don't like dog killers. You know I see a clear pattern of bias against dog killers. But I will leave that debate for another day

[micnificent28]

We should have signed Vick. :nonod: proven commodity and was cheap. Even if he failed we would have had little invested I him.

Guess we just don't like dog killers. You know I see a clear pattern of bias against dog killers. But I will leave that debate for another day

good thing you wern't here when he said he wanted to come here last season. Scott and the bandwagon would have labeled you a fool along with the rest of us when we suggested it.

[Stumpy]

We should have signed Vick. :nonod: proven commodity and was cheap. Even if he failed we would have had little invested I him.

Guess we just don't like dog killers. You know I see a clear pattern of bias against dog killers. But I will leave that debate for another day

You know, I heard that one of those traffic tickets Cam got was for running over a dog. True Story!!!11!!1

[King Taharqa]

I can vouch for a lot of Panther fans and people in this area, they have not forgotten or forgiven the Panthers for turning their nose up at Vick only to become the worst and most boring team in the league.

[teeray]

good thing you wern't here when he said he wanted to come here last season. Scott and the bandwagon would have labeled you a fool along with the rest of us when we suggested it.

I posted it on another board (I was on pantherinsider) and posted it. Plus I sent a detailed case as to why Vick was a good fit with our personnel to a local newspaper guy.

I got absolutely destroyed. By the newspaper guy, by the other posters, I mean people who had never posted before were creating accounts just to pile on me. :lol:

So I just abandoned it. It was brutal.