Gruden sold on Newton's potential

[King Taharqa]

what else are we going to talk about? and you must secretly like these posts because you always post in them anyway..internet forum users who complain about people making threads on a forum crack me up..

Seeing people talk about how great Newt is makes Hatter furious.

[monstercat]

The only thing that can keep Cam from being great, is Cam. You either believe he will work hard, or you don't. That is the difference between that anti-Cam crowd and the pro-Cam crowd, because we all know he has more natural ability than any QB in this draft, and that there is not a flaw in his game that can't be fixed with hard work and good coaching.

[pantherclaw]

So John Fox, in 9 years as a HC, got 5 good years out of a veteran QB with almost zero starting experience. John Fox = poo with QBs

But Gruden, in 14 years as OC/HC, got 3 slightly better years out of a much more seasoned veteran QB with extensive starting experience. Jon Gruden = QB genius.

No, you're right, Gruden is sooo much better than Fox at judging/evaluating QBs :sosp:

Nice post though.

Where did I bring up fox?

You stated that gruden never developed anybody. I gave you proof that you were talking out of your ass.

I understand you are butt hurt, and have attempted to put words in my mouth that I have never said or posted. That makes you look even more of an idiot...and ya did it all on your own! Your parents must be proud!

Nice post though!

[Stumpy]

You are right, I was wrong saying that he never developed anybody.

I brought up Fox as a comparison to illustrate where Gruden's acumen lies when it comes to drafting QBs. He is a great offensive mind, but the reason he is working at ESPN and not at One Buc Place is because of his inability to field a QB in Tampa.

As far as judging QB talent, Gruden is on the same level as Fox. Both were able to have some success with a veteran backup, but neither were able to duplicate said success without those guys.

If people want a good judge of QB talent, IMO Marty Schottenhiemer is one of the best. In his 23 years, he had six different QBs that either played for or were drafted by him make the Pro-Bowl.

[Sword]

You are right, I was wrong saying that he never developed anybody.

I brought up Fox as a comparison to illustrate where Gruden's acumen lies when it comes to drafting QBs. He is a great offensive mind, but the reason he is working at ESPN and not at One Buc Place is because of his inability to field a QB in Tampa.

As far as judging QB talent, Gruden is on the same level as Fox. Both were able to have some success with a veteran backup, but neither were able to duplicate said success without those guys.

If people want a good judge of QB talent, IMO Marty Schottenhiemer is one of the best. In his 23 years, he had six different QBs that either played for or were drafted by him make the Pro-Bowl.

somebody needs to ask schottenhiemer about cam newton then..why hasn't this happenend!??

[KaseKlosed]

who the fug said newton didnt have tons of potential? this '*** da haterz' talk is ridiculous.

just look at your choice of signature, showing a lot of love there, when stones are thrown who ever it hit will holler.....KaseKlosed

[hank pimple butt]

looks like a smoke screen to me.

[Snake]

You are right, I was wrong saying that he never developed anybody.

I brought up Fox as a comparison to illustrate where Gruden's acumen lies when it comes to drafting QBs. He is a great offensive mind, but the reason he is working at ESPN and not at One Buc Place is because of his inability to field a QB in Tampa.

As far as judging QB talent, Gruden is on the same level as Fox. Both were able to have some success with a veteran backup, but neither were able to duplicate said success without those guys.

If people want a good judge of QB talent, IMO Marty Schottenhiemer is one of the best. In his 23 years, he had six different QBs that either played for or were drafted by him make the Pro-Bowl.

That statement is so ass backwards Idk where to start.

That's like saying bill cowher is just as good at judging QBs as norv turner.

[mav1234]

Has there been a college quarterback he's interviewed for ESPN he didn't like? I remember him raving about Clausen, too. blech.

[Tarheels23]

I thought it was pretty interesting when Cam listed off the QBs he'd love to play against on Gruden's Camp on ESPN, he listed all the NFC South QBs.

I noticed that as well!

[Sword]

Has there been a college quarterback he's interviewed for ESPN he didn't like? I remember him raving about Clausen, too. blech.

I think when Gruden doesn't like you that is the death toll for your draft status..remember he said clausen putting out bad film was an embarrassment to ND?

[teeray]

Has there been a college quarterback he's interviewed for ESPN he didn't like? I remember him raving about Clausen, too. blech.

He will like everyone he does the QB camp thing with. That is just his style. But I think he implied or stated that he should be the #1 pick. I didn't see that quote but the article implied it.

[Stumpy]

That statement is so ass backwards Idk where to start.

Please start. Please tell me why it is "ass backwards" to compare the abilities of two head coaches who coached most of their careers at the same time and in the same division? :toetap05:

[Wither]

Sounds good to me..but I'm sure the negative nellies will say he hypes up all the Qbs.

Yeah, well, hes not necessarily the best QB guy.