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[mav1234]

So he wants Matt Moore. He know what's up.

I'll say this about Delhomme. He used to be good, but Matt Moore has been better than him since he was a rookie in 2007.

I think he wants to see some commitment to someone. He wants to know the coaching staff believes in someone. Be it Moore, Clausen, Newton, SOMEONE. Can you blame him?

It was obvious the coaching staff didn't believe in Clausen. Why should the players? Why should anyone, for that matter? But if a coaching staff believes they can win with a guy, it can really help them out a ton.

Then again, maybe he's also telling them, "Get Palmer, and you've got me."

[Lords0fPain]

actually that was Cutler's second year. In his first year, the only year Peppers would have seen when deciding to choose them, they were 7-9 and Culter had 26 interceptions and 8 fumbles.

he left a team where a guy had just gone 4-1 and had only throw 2 INTs in those games while operating the offense extremely well.

if anything, he left a team that looked like it had a QB on the upswing to go to one that was throwing interceptions like it was the 2008 playoffs.

I stand corrected, the 2nd year he was there.

Since 2006 we had 1 winning year out of 4, and Delhomme was not that good in that one. Throw that horrible playoff game in and no one can say those players were not frustrated with the QB situation. We don't know how 2007 would have ended, but it did start off looking good. On a team under a coach, that would not do what needed to be done to improve the position. This game is about winning and we have not had much of that since the 2005 season and most of that time was under Delhomme. Its about what they are currently doing, not what was done 5 years ago. Delhomme certainly didn't do well in Cleveland, either. But lets cut him a break in his 1st year on a new team (as we would Cutler).

[mav1234]

I stand corrected, the 2nd year he was there.

Since 2006 we had 1 winning year out of 4

I do not doubt we need an upgrade at QB now, nor do I doubt that Jake hadn't been that great in some time, and he was certainly playing too long in 2009.

However, Peppers went to Chicago. Your argument is he left due to our QB situation. If our QB situation was the primary or even a major motivator, you would think he would go to some place with a QB who had success, no?

Jake since 2006:

2006: 7-6

2007: 2-1

2008: 12-4

2009: 4-6

Cutler since 2006:

2006: 2-3

2007: 7-9

2008: 6-10

2009: 7-9

It would look, from this, like he didn't choose where he went based much at all on QB, but likely instead based on the entire package - aka, money, history, freedom of where he could play, etc.

[Lords0fPain]

I do not doubt we need an upgrade at QB now, nor do I doubt that Jake hadn't been that great in some time, and he was certainly playing too long in 2009.

However, Peppers went to Chicago. Your argument is he left due to our QB situation. If our QB situation was the primary or even a major motivator, you would think he would go to some place with a QB who had success, no?

Jake since 2006:

2006: 7-6

2007: 2-1

2008: 12-4

2009: 4-6

Cutler since 2006:

2006: 2-3

2007: 7-9

2008: 6-10

2009: 7-9

It would look, from this, like he didn't choose where he went based much at all on QB, but likely instead based on the entire package - aka, money, history, freedom of where he could play, etc.

I said factor, not the reason or only reason. The man wanted to be paid, but to think poor QB play does not factor in, is unrealistic. Pretty sure, if a player thinks the team can win a Super Bowl (and they have not won one yet), they are more inclined to stick it another year or 2. Jake was not good from about 2006 and we can only speculate about what could have been in 2007.

In 2008, Jake threw 5 INTs and lost a fumble (if i recall) in the playoff game. Just plain sorry QB play, period. If you gotta have a bad QB why not go to a team that is going to pay you. Its like doing a job with a sorry boss, then going some where else with a sorry boss, but instead of making $10 and hour you will make $20 an hour.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009011001/2008/POST19/cardinals@panthers

Key stat

Delhomme accounted for six turnovers (five interceptions, one fumble) and the Cardinals scored 23 of their 33 points off of those takeaways

You want to seriously say that sorry QB will not have some influence on rather a players stays or go? Players leave teams and go to teams for the QB's/coaches. It not the only or major factor, but it certainly play its part. Go listen to the Dwill interview, certainly a factor for him, unless you are saying he is the only player in the league that even consider this...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f2c7e6/article/williams-decision-on-my-panthers-future-depends-on-qbs

"It's all going to boil down to quarterbacks," Williams said on WQAM-AM. "In this league, the running game is all predicated on if you have a quarterback or not. If you don't have a quarterback, teams stack the box and they force you to do what you do best."

BTW- Pretty sure the Dolphins are going to pay him more, even if they keep their crappy QB. Difference is Fox is gone and players are speaking out a little more...about this.

[Hoenheim]

Deangelo is the best player on our team and the best back in the NFL. If they let him leave I'm done with the NFL period because my team just doesn't give a poo and I refuse to support another team.

I understand what you are saying here, but it doesn't take away from the fact that D-will might be traded. I think I would honestly be just as upset and frustrated as the next person if that were to happen, but I would still be a panther fan for life :)

[CatfanMO]

Deangelo is the best player on our team and the best back in the NFL. If they let him leave I'm done with the NFL period because my team just doesn't give a poo and I refuse to support another team.

It would suck to loose D Will, but good RBs are not hard to find today. We have other guys on the roster that could fill his shoes right now.

[mav1234]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f2c7e6/article/williams-decision-on-my-panthers-future-depends-on-qbs

"It's all going to boil down to quarterbacks," Williams said on WQAM-AM. "In this league, the running game is all predicated on if you have a quarterback or not. If you don't have a quarterback, teams stack the box and they force you to do what you do best."

BTW- Pretty sure the Dolphins are going to pay him more, even if they keep their crappy QB. Difference is Fox is gone and players are speaking out a little more...about this.

Rest of the quote, left out of that NFL.com story:

"It's basically going to boil down to who has the better quarterback, or who's making the conscious effort to go out and find a quarterback or mold a quarterback they already have into a championship caliber quarterback."

Read more: http://www.heraldonline.com/2011/04/09/2976147/deangelo-looking-for-a-qb.html#ixzz1JAhWOBzg

Our QB situation now is 100% worse than it was when Peppers made it clear he wanted to leave (before the start of the 2008 season if I recall, when he turned away that huge contract extension).

Clearly who is playing QB is important, and no doubt the team suffered for sticking with Jake too long. I just find it silly to think that is why Peppers left. It's not. He was leaving anyway. It was what he wanted to do and nothing was going to change that

[TheRealDeal]

Word on the street is that Peppers left because he was the Ghey and Charlotte was all up in his business and he could blend in better in Chicago.

But what do I know

[Matthias]

I hate it that we are sooooooooo desperate for a QB, yet there are no QBs to get. Really, Cam Newton being the best option out there? Come on man!:(

Look if D-will wants to leave because we have no QB, then let him leave. Our best option at this point is to let Matt Moore start next season, who still have potential at being a decent QB. Let's not be hasty with this, let's draft good players with this draft (possibly get maybe Andy Dalton through getting back into the second via trade or pick up Colin Kaepernick in the third), then next year draft Luck if we are in position to trade up for him.

It's still a shame though. All of our problems would have been solved had Luck came out. Luck would have instantly been the Panther's greatest QB without having stepped onto the field.

[JawnyBlaze]

Peppers was actually indicating he wanted out before the 08 season started.

edit: didn't read yet that Mav already pointed this out.

I'm not going through all the games to get the fumbles he lost and the 3 and outs. Your impression of delhomme and mine are different.

We got to a Super Bowl, yes. When he was good. After that our playoffs were after a losing years and we played lesser teams to make to make it and won less game in the playoffs each time.

Leadership only goes so far when you keep turning the ball over. People get tried of it.

Everytime Delhomme comes up, people say how good we were with only 3 winning seasons (following a losing year), is amazing. He had some good years, but more bad ones. Again, there are the 3 and outs and fumbles he lost, that go with those INTs.

2002 7-9

Delhomme era

2003 11-5 Playoff year won 3 games lost SB Jake Delhomme replaces Peete at Jags game TDs 19 INT 16 GS 15

2004 7-9 TDs 29 INT 15 GS 16

2005 11-5 Playoff year won 2 games TDs 24 INT 16 GS 16

2006 8-8 TDs 17 INT 11 GS 13

2007 7-9 TDs 8 INT 1 GS 3 injury year

2008 12-4 lost 1st game in playoffs TDs 15 INT 12 GS 16

2009 8-8 TDs 8 INT 18 GS 11

I see a pattern of making playoffs after a losing year and winning less and less playoff games. Peppers said in 2009 he didn't want to return, that would be following 2006 8-8, 2007 7-9 and the complete break down in the playoffs. I'm not saying that is the only reason he left, but anyone saying it doesn't factor in, isn't being realistic.

[JawnyBlaze]

*sigh* Peppers didn't leave for the paycheck OR the QB sitation. Mav has already done a good job pointing out how he didn't leave a poor QB situation and go to a good one, so that claim has absolutely no merit. The paycheck claim? That's even more laughable. The Panthers TWICE offered to make him the highest defensive player in the league. The contract he took with the Bears was no better than the one the Panthers offered him. Peppers left for one of two reasons: he hated Fox and/or Richardson on a personal level or he just hated living and playing in NC. That's it. Not money. Not the QB.

I said factor, not the reason or only reason. The man wanted to be paid, but to think poor QB play does not factor in, is unrealistic. Pretty sure, if a player thinks the team can win a Super Bowl (and they have not won one yet), they are more inclined to stick it another year or 2. Jake was not good from about 2006 and we can only speculate about what could have been in 2007.

In 2008, Jake threw 5 INTs and lost a fumble (if i recall) in the playoff game. Just plain sorry QB play, period. If you gotta have a bad QB why not go to a team that is going to pay you. Its like doing a job with a sorry boss, then going some where else with a sorry boss, but instead of making $10 and hour you will make $20 an hour.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009011001/2008/POST19/cardinals@panthers

Key stat

Delhomme accounted for six turnovers (five interceptions, one fumble) and the Cardinals scored 23 of their 33 points off of those takeaways

You want to seriously say that sorry QB will not have some influence on rather a players stays or go? Players leave teams and go to teams for the QB's/coaches. It not the only or major factor, but it certainly play its part. Go listen to the Dwill interview, certainly a factor for him, unless you are saying he is the only player in the league that even consider this...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81f2c7e6/article/williams-decision-on-my-panthers-future-depends-on-qbs

"It's all going to boil down to quarterbacks," Williams said on WQAM-AM. "In this league, the running game is all predicated on if you have a quarterback or not. If you don't have a quarterback, teams stack the box and they force you to do what you do best."

BTW- Pretty sure the Dolphins are going to pay him more, even if they keep their crappy QB. Difference is Fox is gone and players are speaking out a little more...about this.

[Panthers128]

cya dwill! enjoy playing with chad henne

[CRA]

cya dwill! enjoy playing with chad henne

if the choice is Clausen or Henne.....then Miami seems like the place for him. Personally, I think both make moves.

[tjmurray]

if the choice is Clausen or Henne.....then Miami seems like the place for him. Personally, I think both make moves.

I think other teams will come after him hard. Not just Miami per say. There is a team other than Miami, that will make this a bidding war. I am curious to see what New England, Indianapolis & New York do in the draft as far as the rb position is concerned. DeAngelo has said the right things all along about splitting time.Outside of money, a team will offer DeAngelo something that Carolina can't, and that is a chance to be the guy. I am speculating of course, but I feel strongly about that. He and Stewart are too talented to come off the field every other play. I know he said that he wants to remain a Panther, but I felt for a long time that he would eventually move on. I felt that way when Stewart was drafted.