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[Bronn]

Here's a quick synopsis of Robert's Rebellion, and how he came to the throne in the first place, including the important players that you know from the show...

Basically, Dany's father, King Aerys II, went pretty crazy... He basically fired Tywin Lannister as his hand after like 20 years, became obsessed with fire and trying to obtain dragons, and generally cruel to all in the seven kingdoms...

Aerys and his oldest son, Rhaegar (Dany and Viserys' older brother) attended a tourney at Harrenhall. Rhaegar won everything and gave his standard or whatever to Lyanna Stark (Ned's sister,) naming her the Queen of Love and Beauty. This spurned his own wife, Elia Martell (sister of the Red Viper, Oberyn.) He also became obsessed with Lyanna at this point. He 'kidnaps' her (some think she went willingly) and whisks her away to the Tower of Joy.

Brandon Stark, Ned's brother, rides to King's Landing to demand Lyanna's return. Aerys holds him captive and asks Rickard Stard, Ned's dad, to attend to his son and answer for his accusations. In turn, he has Brandon strangled and Rickard burned alive in his armor.

Robert Baratheon, betrothed to Lyanna, and Ned Stark are visiting their mentor Jon Arryn, in the Vale. They get word of what has happened, and Arryn, Stark, and Baratheon call their bannermen. They negotiate Ned's betrothal to Catelyn and Jon's betrothal to Lysa in order to bring in house Tully.

The army marches south, towards King's Landing... Robert defeats Rhaegar on the Trident in single combat, but takes a wound in the fighting...

King Aerys has his other two children, Daenerys and Viserys, sent to Dragonstone to protect them.

Tywin Lannister opens the gates of King's Landing in order to allow Ned's army in, but before Ned gets there, Tywin's forces sack the city.. In the sacking, Rhaegar's own children and wife are slain by Gregor Clegane, the Mountain. Jaime, a member of Aerys' Kingsguard turns on him, and murders him at the foot of the Iron Throne. This earned him the nickname "Kingslayer."  Once the sacking was complete, the king was dead, and the Northern army had arrived, Tywin swore loyalty to Robert, in exchange for his marriage to Cersei.

Meanwhile, Ned catches wind of where Lyanna was being held. He takes a small group of soldiers to storm the Tower of Joy (not in King's Landing) to get his sister back. He and Howland Reed (Meera and Jojen's dad) are the only ones to survive the battle. Lyanna dies in Ned's arms.

Ned is named Warden of the North. Robert takes the throne. Then the events starting with Game of Thrones transpire. Jon Arryn dies and Robert rides for Winterfell, hoping to get Ned to be his Hand. Roll season 1.
 

[Squirrel]

yeah still should be in the book section.  Some people just want to watch and discuss the show as it happens.  Not get info on what happened in the book, 

[Davidson Deac II]

​She's from the richest family in the country, though. She would be a Kardashian/Hilton type.

​Do the Kardashians/Hiltons live in the real world?  :)

 

J/k, you are probably right. 

[Kettle]

We can combine the book thread and this one now. Well, maybe not since a new book will drop soon. But still, everyone is at the same place and things that happened in the book will not happen on the show, so feel free to educate show-only people.

For example, from what I've seen online, in the books, the rumor is that Ned's sister got her freak on with Dany's father. That's what caused Robert to go war his ass and steal the throne, because he loved Ned's sister. So Jon is actually the love child of Ned's sister and the Targaryen king ... making him full-blooded, but still a bastard. Ned said Jon was his to most likely keep Robert from killing his sister's love child. So though Jon is of full blood, I don't think he has any right to the throne. For that matter ... does Dany? This is old school stuff where men rule. Dany's brother probably had the biggest right to it, but done got got. The rest of the Targaryen men are dead. Dany's baby died, so he's out. So killing Jon may not be such a big deal since he can't be king and we have no real proof what Martin means by Fire and Ice. Me? I think it means nothing more than dragons versus whitewalkers.

As for Snow being no big deal that he's dead, Kit said "he's not coming back" in his interview. A swerve? Sure ... but that show will be filmed and we will ALL know if he's on set. They can't hide him. Some say "of course he's going to say that" because it'd ruin the cliffhanger of if he's dead. Guess what? There is no cliffhanger. Nothing gave ANY clue that he might not be dead. Jon is dead. Kit said it himself. As for the interview, that could mean many things: Jon Snow is not coming back but Kit is (as some other type character, i.e. Coldhands), Kit is not coming back but Jon Snow is in some other fashion (i.e. Snow as a WW so no need for Kit). My guess? Kit isn't coming back ... for season 6. We'll see the red witch swipe his body in the first episode, then we'll see an entire season of Franken Jon via body double and he'll be back for season 7.

​There is another Targaryen in the books, but he was traveling with Tyrion and Jorah who hadn't even interacted with Dany to this point.  So the show may never introduce him.  And the theory I read wasn't that Jon was a love child.  It was that he was from a post tourny raping.

[Bronn]

​There is another Targaryen in the books, but he was traveling with Tyrion and Jorah who hadn't even interacted with Dany to this point.  So the show may never introduce him.  And the theory I read wasn't that Jon was a love child.  It was that he was from a post tourny raping.

​scroll up bro...

I'm not buying the Aegon theory, FWIW... He is supposedly Rhaegar's son, switched at some point with the baby that The Mountain dashed against the wall... That's a little too convenient and foresighted...

Aegon would have been Dany's nephew...

[SOJA]

R + L = J 

they all but confirmed that in this season

[Kettle]

​scroll up bro...
I'm not buying the Aegon theory, FWIW... He is supposedly Rhaegar's son, switched at some point with the baby that The Mountain dashed against the wall... That's a little too convenient and foresighted...

Aegon would have been Dany's nephew...

​or refresh while writing 

[Panthro]

So I am starting to think the torching of shireen didn't work because she was not of kings blood. That was kind of an eye opening revelation to Mel. Once she realized that she was all....seeya

[Brooklyn Bully]

OR, kings blood doesn't always work.

[teeray]

Or maybe she misread the flames and thought it was for Stannis but really helps someone else.

She realized she missed something as soon as half the army left.  Her faces tells quite a story.  I don't know if she feared Stannis or realized she had misread the flames

[PantherKing1983]

or what if she was not stannis daughter after all .......................

[Darth Biscuit]

I'm not sure what it was... I think Panthro is onto the real reason imo...

Her sacrifice before was from Robert Baratheon's bastards blood, Robert was a true king who actually sat on the throne.

Not sure what defines that, maybe her god or the gods, maybe actually sitting on the iron throne, who knows...  Stannis was never the "true" king in Westeros, so maybe Shireen was not "of kings blood" so it just didn't work?

 

I believe it all plays back into Jon somehow... her visions in the flames were often of Jon and now she's back at the wall right as Jon is murdered... hmmm...

[Captroop]

Am I alone in thinking it was Melisandre was just a snake oil salesman? I never thought Melisandre had any actual power (except the demon shadow baby thing). I mean, she even tells Selyse in one episode that most of her magic is just basic chemistry and trickery to fool the gullible and superstitious. Everything else that she supposedly did was just her attributing stuff that happened to the Lord of Light (I mean, according to the GOP, abortions are the cause of the droughts in California, so that's not unprecedented even in more enlightened times). Joffrey died because Little Finger poisoned him for his own ends. It was just coincidence that she had done the King's blood thing. Any big event that might have come up, she would have said it was because of King's blood.

Really, she was just riding the world's longest hot streak of bull crap predictions like a sexy ginger Miss Cleo. The only power she had was the confidence to sell that she and the Lord of Light were the cause of all Stannis' successes. And she had her hooks in Stannis good. I mean, build a guy up, get him sold on your powers, build his self confidence, and tell him to look in a fire to see a prediction, and of course he's gonna see what he wants to come true. Is that so crazy to think Stannis saw predictions in the fire because he was just buying into her whacky religion? I mean, Scientology is a thing, right? All she ever did was give him the confidence to make the bold moves he otherwise would have been to tentative to make. Kill his brother. Invade the North. March on the Boltons. She was more motivational speaker than magician.

I thought the look on her face was even more terrifying because, when the army deserts, she knows he's doomed. The "Lord of Light" was never looking out for him. Stannis just made smart tactical decisions, and he thought it was divine providence. But now he had no army, but was still under the illusion he was still in the lord's favor. And that all he had to do was march, and he would fulfill his destiny. Melisandre knew better. She knew a slaughter was imminent, and if she was lucky enough to survive the battle, she's be exposed as a fraud, and have to suffer the indignity of that embarrassment until she invariably got flayed alive. So she got the hell out of Dodge.

Is it just me?

Maybe the books clear this up, but I never thought she had any power.

[Darth Biscuit]

Well she did have the shadow baby or whatever the fug it was that killed Renly...  I think she does have powers, although you're right that it seems a little more evident in the books than on the show.