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Draft grades for the last decade

CatMan72

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thefuzz Mentor

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How can the Pats be at the top? They're last 5-6 drafts have been average at best and some of them have been awful.

A lot of the judging was done on Approx Value, and Pro Bowl selections. The Pats are overrated on both of those fronts.

They are an average drafting team, and happened to luck up tremendously with Brady.

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Peppers did not single handedly win games for the Panthers, although he GREATLY assisted in a few. There's a large number of games where the Panthers just "Smithed" the opponent. Best Panther player ever, easily.

Hurney has made a great deal of solid picks and his grade of a B is fair. But when he makes a bad pick/trade, he REALLY fails. No gray area with him, it seems.

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JawnyBlaze Grand Master

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How can the Pats be at the top? They're last 5-6 drafts have been average at best and some of them have been awful.

That "Approximate Value" stat is misleading. The article says it uses position, playing time, team success to measure the picks and that's how they get the AV stat... on the first two, the lucky Brady pick is going to skew it heavily in their favor..and the last one has nothing to do with the pick. It's probably a worse system than those "predict the QB success in the NFL" formulas.

This seems like another case of "decide on your top 5 or so and then find a way to prove it" like that guy that loved Ricky Stanzi did.

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The thing that amazes me is when fans critique Hurney for bad draft picks. Hindsight is 20/freakin'/20. I am the greatest draft expert in the world if you allow me to grade the picks a few years later. Yeah, that one sucked. Great call on Brady in the 6th round, etc.

Also seems some folks in this thread don't understand that a pro bowl/impact player drafted in the 3rd round (Smitty) > pro bowl/impact player drafted #2 overall (as far as draft grades go).

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How can the Pats be at the top? They're last 5-6 drafts have been average at best and some of them have been awful.

They've picked 11 Pro Bowlers in the last 10 years that's why. In the "average" drafts you've mentioned, only 2009 failed to produce at least 1 Pro Bowler for the Pats, and they even lost a first rounder due to Spygate.

If that's average, not many teams are going to get a passing grade.

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They've picked 11 Pro Bowlers because as a popular (and uberhyped) team they get more people in the Pro Bowl that don't necessarily deserve to be there...like that time the Cowboys played as the NFC team by themselves...

The results of Spygate (3 Super Bowls) increased their Pro Bowls, not decreased.

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Without Brady Bellicheck is just another cheater who flames out of the league.

Eh, I dont know about this.

He made it to the playoffs with Matt Cassell, and not only that, but Matt Cassell's first year starting since high school.

Bellicheck and Brady are mutually benifically great.

Both Legends.

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but his body of work is better than smitty....who would you rather have on your team right now?

No its not. Their regular season stats are the same with pep having a better supporting cast around him on the defensive side and smitty never having an elite qb to throw him the ball and hardly ever a #2 receiver.

Meanwhile smitty averages 100ypg and a TD in the playoffs while pep has 2 sacks in 9 games. =P

89>90

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They've picked 11 Pro Bowlers because as a popular (and uberhyped) team they get more people in the Pro Bowl that don't necessarily deserve to be there...like that time the Cowboys played as the NFC team by themselves...

The results of Spygate (3 Super Bowls) increased their Pro Bowls, not decreased.

Mayo, Wilfork, or Samuel are hype?

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