Jake Delhomme as a GM

[Mr. Scot]

Not Flacco, Rodgers. Thanks rayzor, don't know why I was thinking Flacco. So we passed on Rodgers for Davis.

In fairness, several others passed on him too.

(heck,the Jags took Matt Jones)

[pantherclaw]

Hurney likely doesn't have a ton of direct input (read: scouting) on the players we select. Especially past the first round. However, the work of the people under him is ultimately his responsibility. If they suck, they need to be replaced.

Which they were. The jury is still out on the new crew. IMO, the expiration date on Hurney expired with Fox. Richardson didn't agree. We'll see how it plays out

There have been at least three director of scouting guys since hurney has been gm. So he certainly hasn't settled, and continues to seek better men for the job. There there are the scouts beneath the director.

Scouting isn't an exact science. So much to evaluate, and it is still difficult to figure who will make it at the next level.

That just sets up the draft board. Since capers has been gone, three men have input into the decisions on draft picks. Director of scouting, head coach (who also has input from his other coaches), and hurney. Only last year did the head coach not has the input he normally gets.

Hurney may be the guy that ultimately decides, but it certainly isn't based on his opinion alone.

All that being said, hurney is a good gm. Better than most, and loyal...which is more than can be said for polian.

[YourManInAmsterdam]

And are you content with that?

I like Hurney, but I don't really see him ever becoming one of the great personnel men of the league. I think he'll always be good, but like Delhomme, the ceiling may stop there.

Jerry Richardson seems comfortable with that.

Are you?

For me, the simple answer is no.

I'd never thought of comparing the two men, but you draw reasonable conclusions.

The reason my immediate reaction is no boils down to the fact that they're actions lead to mediocrity at best and erratic inconsistency at worst. It seems like every season is a complete crap shoot and that makes it difficult for a fan like me.

Don't get me wrong. My support has always been consistent, but this franchise frustrates me to no end.

And as far as shouldering responsibility, well that's great and all, but it doesn't fix the mistake. Furthermore, if the same kind of mistake is made over and over again, it leads me to believe that the person is incapable of learning from those mistakes. That is a quality in a person that makes it extremely difficult for me to respect them or their work.

[panthers55]

The area Hurney didn't do a good job was in not drafting QBs. But I blame him for listening to Fox. Fox never wanted to draft and develop a QB saying it was a waste of a pick and took too long. The fact that Hurney drafted Clausen last year when Fox had little imput and drafted Newton this year despite Fox saying he wouldn',t shows that he and Fox didn't agree about that. Apparently Hurney has figured out that you take a QB where you can find them.

[panthers55]

The other thing you have to recognize is that this job was Hurney's first GM gig. It isn't like he came here from doing this somewhere else. So to give him his due you have to decide whether he is improving and learning his job as he goes along. Is he a is good GM now versus when he came here his first few years. So looking at his drafting from 2006 to 2008 (long enough to learn the job and not so recent that you can't evaluate his work yet), how did he do??

[rayzor]

The area Hurney didn't do a good job was in not drafting QBs. But I blame him for listening to Fox. Fox never wanted to draft and develop a QB saying it was a waste of a pick and took too long. The fact that Hurney drafted Clausen last year when Fox had little imput and drafted Newton this year despite Fox saying he wouldn',t shows that he and Fox didn't agree about that. Apparently Hurney has figured out that you take a QB where you can find them.

sums it up well.

i actually don't think fox wanted to spend time developing anyone. although he did start rookies from time to time, you knew he would always rather use an older established vet despite his obvious inadequacies. to him it was all about loyalty over ability to perform and age over youth.

[Fiz]

So looking at his drafting from 2006 to 2008 (long enough to learn the job and not so recent that you can't evaluate his work yet), how did he do??

Pretty damn well I'd say.

[bleys]

The area Hurney didn't do a good job was in not drafting QBs. But I blame him for listening to Fox. Fox never wanted to draft and develop a QB saying it was a waste of a pick and took too long. The fact that Hurney drafted Clausen last year when Fox had little imput and drafted Newton this year despite Fox saying he wouldn',t shows that he and Fox didn't agree about that. Apparently Hurney has figured out that you take a QB where you can find them.

and in the NFL, you must adapt. You cannot live with past ideals and expect them to translate in today's NFL. with more QBs making further strides than in the past, it was time to take that chance.

So looking at his drafting from 2006 to 2008 (long enough to learn the job and not so recent that you can't evaluate his work yet), how did he do??

also, we have been pretty f**king consistent in the later rounds after bringing on Don Gregory and staff..

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if anyone has learned anything from this forum, it's most people are going to believe what they want to believe, and most of the time, facts are irrelevant.

so yes, let's ditch Hurney for someone of lesser value.

[jim stone]

Finally came off some of the $$$ Panthers gave him and bought that Bojangles franchise.

[jramsey4]

Just as Jake was an average QB so is Hurney an average GM.

[Fiz]

Just as Jake was an average QB so is Hurney an average GM.

If Hurney is an average GM you're a good poster (you're not)

[carpanfan96]

Hurney is a top 10 GM

He's superb at free agents signings and his drafting has been above average to fantastic over his career here in Carolina.

Most GM's don't hit on all first round picks and contary to popular belief, Hurney's mid - to late round picks have been way above average compared to most of the league.

[rayzor]

one thing i'm anxious to see is how he does against bus cook if there is no rookie cap in place. i know he did well working with rosenhaus so that makes feel feel kind of good, but cook is a prick.

[Fiz]

one thing i'm anxious to see is how he does against bus cook if there is no rookie cap in place. i know he did well working with rosenhaus so that makes feel feel kind of good, but cook is a prick.

Agents love Hurney because he'll always err on the side of slightly overpaying as long as the agent is negotiating in good faith.

Also it's pretty easy to figure out how much money first overall QBs will get. Unless he holds out for like more gold plated boxes of cheerios like Jawalrus it'll be quick.