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JR Addresses Accusations of Being Cheap

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panthers55 Grand Master

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Smart doesn't = cheap. many of us said he had a plan and that plan was to dump salaries, can the coaching staff, and hire new and better then spend when the CBA was fixed.

Sorry that isn't cheap, its smart. you don't just spend money to spend it and keep the fans happy, you do it with a set plan WHEN the time is right to help the franchise.

So those ripping on him last year were wrong, and those not willing to admit it are pussys.

I disagree. If he had dumped Fox last year, brought in Rivera, got rid of some veterans but not all of them, signed a franchise Qb last year when it would be cheaper we could have had a good last year and been much better set up tthis year given our system would have been in place already. Tampa still had a winning season and are better set up this year.

Sure he had a plan but it was a sucky one.

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I disagree. If he had dumped Fox last year, brought in Rivera, got rid of some veterans but not all of them, signed a franchise Qb last year when it would be cheaper we could have had a good last year and been much better set up tthis year given our system would have been in place already. Tampa still had a winning season and are better set up this year.

Sure he had a plan but it was a sucky one.

could Rivera have been signed? was he not in a contract for the 2010 season?

also, do you really think it's wise to go spend money on players the year before all the rules are about to change?

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Then JR would've given that reasoning as why he didn't fire John Fox...he brought up the having to pay two coaches argument.

Ask Denver why they did what they did. Many teams dumped their coaches mid-season. JR had a plan to go cheap leading into a lockout. Be it paying new coaches, extending contracts, or signing free agents. He told us exactly why he did what he did. We shouldn't seek out excuses for the man.

Remember...the apology he gave to PSL/STHers? That was bad product last year BECAUSE of his intentions of locking out. You can call that being a savvy businessman...but he did it on the backs of paying customers expecting an organization to try to win. But one thing's good...we're not Cincinnati.

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Then JR would've given that reasoning as why he didn't fire John Fox...he brought up the having to pay two coaches argument.

Ask Denver why they did what they did. Many teams dumped their coaches mid-season. JR had a plan to go cheap leading into a lockout. Be it paying new coaches, extending contracts, or signing free agents. He told us exactly why he did what he did. We shouldn't seek out excuses for the man.

I'm not sure why people are saying JR wasn't cheap. it's obvious he was. and you're right, he gave reasons..

those reasons make every bit of sense in the business world..

Remember...the apology he gave to PSL/STHers? That was bad product last year BECAUSE of his intentions of locking out. You can call that being a savvy businessman...but he did it on the backs of paying customers expecting an organization to try to win. But one thing's good...we're not Cincinnati.

it was business savvy.. fans had to wait a year. don't pay the guy or suck it up and understand it makes the most business sense.. it's 1 year out of 20+ you're paying the guy. with the CBA on the rise and a new coaching staff, how doesn't it make sense to hold off a year before you make moves?

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bad example man.. so let's say Anderson, Davis, DLo, Kalil, Beason were paid last year instead of this year?

fact is, some could have walked had he chose not to pay them.. if they had been signed last year, this conversation would still be irrelevant..

I know, but people are confusing "spending spree" with doing what he HAD to do. There is a difference. If anyone thinks he was going to let the core just walk, you're crazy. There has not been a spending spree, it's more like he was just paying bills on the team.

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I know, but people are confusing "spending spree" with doing what he HAD to do. There is a difference. If anyone thinks he was going to let the core just walk, you're crazy. There has not been a spending spree, it's more like he was just paying bills on the team.

I gotcha..

however, I think you're confusing "let the core just walk, you're crazy" and "doing what he had to do"..

he didn't have to sign them, he could have just let them walk.. the fact that he didn't means he had to spend to keep them.. I know, speakin technicalities..

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Why doesn't he apologize for taking my PSl money and pocketing it while putting a horrible product on the field. Honestly he should be the one apologizing. And for the record, he was cheap last year.

Couldn't agree more.

I'm not apologizing for paying full price for something and getting next to nothing in return.

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In a way Richardson owes more to PSl owners than teams that just have season ticket holders. Because we have a contract which requires us to purchase tickets and when we are bad have no ability to even sell the PSLs, we can't just stop buying them. Season ticket holders can just stop buying them with no consequence. As a result we have joined with Richarson in a partnership which allows him to avoid paying huge stadium costs which saves him money. He in return needs to do everything he can to field as a competitive product as possible given we can't easily respond by not buying tickets. Does that mean we won't have ups and downs?? Of course not, but when you intentionally fail to hold your end of the bargain up, you need to make it right and apologize.

Lets be honest it isn't like he has exactly delivered the wins. We have had only 4 winning seasons in our franchise history.

You can just stop buying your season tickets. You lose your seat ... that's the consequence ... so your initial "investment" is gone. It is not a partnership, it is a contract. You willingly signed it, and there's not a "performance clause" in it for the team.

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In a way Richardson owes more to PSl owners than teams that just have season ticket holders. Because we have a contract which requires us to purchase tickets and when we are bad have no ability to even sell the PSLs, we can't just stop buying them. Season ticket holders can just stop buying them with no consequence. As a result we have joined with Richarson in a partnership which allows him to avoid paying huge stadium costs which saves him money. He in return needs to do everything he can to field as a competitive product as possible given we can't easily respond by not buying tickets. Does that mean we won't have ups and downs?? Of course not, but when you intentionally fail to hold your end of the bargain up, you need to make it right and apologize.

Lets be honest it isn't like he has exactly delivered the wins. We have had only 4 winning seasons in our franchise history.

Negative ghost rider.

He doesn't owe you anything more than he owes my dear Milli dog who is currently taking a nap.

You purchased the PSL's.

You accepted the terms of the contract.

You have the privaldge of getting tickets.

That's all he "owes" you, the right to get those tickets.

That said I'm glad people had the means to get in the PSL deal. It helped us have a team where in all honesty we probably would never have.

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pantherclaw Grand Master

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Why doesn't he apologize for taking my PSl money and pocketing it while putting a horrible product on the field. Honestly he should be the one apologizing. And for the record, he was cheap last year.
yeah. He just pocket the money.

Nevermind, that cleaning house last off season was required so we could spend this year. He didnt know that last season would end up 2 and 14. Nobody did. But keep blaming richardson.

Bang that nroken drum

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