Total Meltdown Scenario... presented by WFNZ

[Ruff]

A few of you watch a different NFL than I do.

• Shockey has missed an average of 2.4 games per year in his career. If that is injury prone, then so are Beason, Wharton, and Steve Smith, not to mention the obvious ones like TD and Otah. Does Smith carry the injury prone label? Does Wharton?
  
• Gary Barnidge in his illustrious 4 year career has 242 yards with no TD's, and averages over 4 games missed per year due to injury. Yet some on here think it is a given he is going to produce better than Shockey when given a chance. What are you basing your opinions on? It certainly isn't the facts.
  
• Shockey put up 455 yards with 4 TD's, splitting catches with Olsen. Between the two of them, they put up more than 1000 receiving yards with a rookie QB. I don't want to break that tandem up unless we replace one of them with a superstar TE.
  

If some of you don't like Shockey due to his age or contract that is fine as it is a matter of opinion. But don't try to throw around BS about his or Barnidge's performance on the field and expect to come off as credible.

Thank you.

Also, if you take away Barnidge's 70 yard catch, his numbers look even less glorious.

[Yaboychris28]

Cam to Moss deep ball?

[Keep Pounding]

Moss is a scrub, Shockey is a compliment to Olsen, better at run blocking and still has good hands, Barnidge was stuck in an offense that play calling was run run, HB draw, 90% of the time. I think he will be a decent rotational TE, with Shockey and Olsen and will develop under Chuds scheme and the mentoring of Shockey. Hell with Moss, i don't care if he could run a 4.21 40 time, the question is would he? No, he is a quitter, a diva, and a cancer in the locker room. NO MOSS.....

[Marguide]

Whether Shockey is back will likely depend on his price. i have seen speculation that he could demand $4M+ per year on a multi-year deal.

If that is truly his price, I think he is gone.

I agree that is too much for him. Hopefully, we would be talking about no more than a 2 year deal in the $3 million per year range. I am not sure he will find better than that on the open market.

EXACTLY my point. You are too focused on what Shockey did 1 yr suited up as a Panther. His history does nothing but suggest that kind of year is NOT the norm for him. Also, production was heavily influenced b/c of the scheme run....a good TE can dominate here.

Chud's passing scheme revolves around 2 spots. #1 WR and TE. So yeah, it is wise not to invest in an aging and injury prone guy now that the "vet aspect" no longer will hold as much importance now that Cam rocketed through his rookie year.

and no, I am not pimping Barney as the guy.

They loved him in NO too. He was cut because of the emergence of Graham, a guy who has exceptional talent.

If we can come up with a way to get a younger TE that will give us Shockey's production or greater, then I'm all for it. I don't like the idea of going into the season with just Olsen and Gary Barnidge. There is just something about Olsen...he just seems to lack some of the toughness that Shockey brings, and that is important in a TE.

Sign Shockey to a reasonable deal, and let's see what Gary B. can do next year. If Gary doesn't show potential, look to add to the position in the 2013 draft.

[Mr. Scot]

For the record, I do want the team to bring Shockey back.

But Shockey or no Shockey, I want absolutely nothing to do with Moss.

[Jangler]

If my grandmother had a plow blade she'd be a plow and I plow her every day

[CRA]

I agree that is too much for him. Hopefully, we would be talking about no more than a 2 year deal in the $3 million per year range. I am not sure he will find better than that on the open market.

They loved him in NO too. He was cut because of the emergence of Graham, a guy who has exceptional talent.

If we can come up with a way to get a younger TE that will give us Shockey's production or greater, then I'm all for it. I don't like the idea of going into the season with just Olsen and Gary Barnidge. There is just something about Olsen...he just seems to lack some of the toughness that Shockey brings, and that is important in a TE.

Sign Shockey to a reasonable deal, and let's see what Gary B. can do next year. If Gary doesn't show potential, look to add to the position in the 2013 draft.

and the bolded is all I am saying. It isn't that hard. This is a VERY TE friendly scheme which made Shockey look better than he really is. Get a young guy that great so greater mismatches and he dominate in Chud's offense.

Chud bluntly said he doesn't want a TE by committee as well.......he wants that every down TE threat. If Shockey was young out of the U he might fit that mold.

[Keep Pounding]

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[Montsta]

Everyone seems so stuck on the fact that any decent TE can be great in Chud's system because it focuses on TE. I watched the board damn near crash with glee after the Olsen trade talking about how we raped the Bears, but Olsen only had like 550ish yards to Shockey's 450ish, and 6 or so TD's to Shockey's 5. These are numbers without looking so I might be way off, but it didn't seem like Olsen, who was widely considered one of the better TE's in the league, did all that much more in an uber-TE friendly system than Shockey did.

If there is a hidden Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham out there I'm all for it, otherwise I think Shockey played well. That being said if he wants a ridiculous deal obviously the team would have to move on.

[MikeMGM]

We need shockey if only to call out those damn anthem disrespecters.

[L-TownCat]

Again, I love Shock's fire and leadership. The man has 2 rings on a team that has none. That kind of experience is invaluable. It is even more important next year if we meet even the most modest of projections(playoffs). I can see Moss in a panther jersey if nothing else just to buy one. Maybe he can catch some of that lightning from the pats run and get cam 50 TD's? Who Knows, hes only 2 years older than Smitty...

[CRA]

Again, I love Shock's fire and leadership. The man has 2 rings on a team that has none. That kind of experience is invaluable. It is even more important next year if we meet even the most modest of projections(playoffs). I can see Moss in a panther jersey if nothing else just to buy one. Maybe he can catch some of that lightning from the pats run and get cam 50 TD's? Who Knows, hes only 2 years older than Smitty...

Shockey didn't play a single snap in the 2007 postseason.....

He was hurt.

[panthers55]

Everyone seems so stuck on the fact that any decent TE can be great in Chud's system because it focuses on TE. I watched the board damn near crash with glee after the Olsen trade talking about how we raped the Bears, but Olsen only had like 550ish yards to Shockey's 450ish, and 6 or so TD's to Shockey's 5. These are numbers without looking so I might be way off, but it didn't seem like Olsen, who was widely considered one of the better TE's in the league, did all that much more in an uber-TE friendly system than Shockey did.

If there is a hidden Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham out there I'm all for it, otherwise I think Shockey played well. That being said if he wants a ridiculous deal obviously the team would have to move on.

I agree with you. If you look at those numbers even deeper, you find that Shockey caught a higher percent of the balls which were thrown his way compared to Olsen. Plus as a function of catches, Shockey was more effective scoring than Olsen. His yards per reception was higher even though Olsen benefitted from a few long catches. So really if this system were so uber friendly to benefit any tight end, Olsen should have put up much better numbers than he did.

As I said earlier and Madhatter reinterated, the issue is not whether he should be brought back based on his production because that is a no-brainer. The issue is whether we bring him back if it costs us 4 million a year or do we find someone less expensive or hope Barnidge finally lives up to his potential. I think you bring him in for 1 year, pay the money, and see what Barnidge does.

[CRA]

If you look at those numbers even deeper, you find that Shockey caught a higher percent of the balls which were thrown his way compared to Olsen. Plus a function of catches, Shockey was more effective scoring than Olsen. His yards per reception was higher even though Olsen benefitted from a few long catches. So really if this system were so uber frieendly to benefit any tightend, olsen should have put up much better numbers than he did.

As I said earlier and Madhatter reinterated, the issue is not whether he should be brought back based on his production because that is a no-brainer. The issue is whether we bring him back if it costs us 4 million a year or do we find someone less expensive or hope Barnidge finally lives up to his potential. I think you bring him up for 1 year, pay the money, and see what Barnidge does.

are you implying Chud's scheme wasn't very TE friendly and didn't aid Shockey in having good numbers?

if you think last season showed Shockey is a better recieving option than Olsen I would greatly disagree w/ that.

If Chud can get his hands on a TE he likes......then Carolina won't bring back Shockey. Chud's TE isn't on this roster.