Poe could be our Newton...

[SOJA]

Isn't Newton our Newton?

[panther4life]

The dumbest thing I have read in a LONG time on this forum is DT is not that important to a 4-3 defense. I am completely amazed.

It's not the "most important" position on a 4-3 d. Dont try to pretend I said anything different. I know you love Brockers but don't let that blurry the facts.

[carolina-chuck]

too much people basing info and prediction on the combine.

poe is no where even close to being as good as nick fairley last year.

love both but still have Brockers over Poe, even with his underachieve combine performance. i grade tape over combine. not combine over tape

[koolkatluke]

It's not the "most important" position on a 4-3 d. Dont try to pretend I said anything different. I know you love Brockers but don't let that blurry the facts.

Actually it is. A really good DT can make the whole defense better. You build from the middle out.

[panther4life]

I dont think that anyone has said that a DT isnt important in the 4-3. /QUOTE]

He would have realized that if he wasn't so hard up for Brockers. He jumped the gun and made himself look like an ass and disappeared once he made that statement. This forum is at its best when opinions differ because it sparks conversation. It will be fun to reference these threads down the road.

[bleys]

I dont think that anyone has said that a DT isnt important in the 4-3. If they did, they are idiots.

I think some are implying that DEs are more imortant though, and I would agree.

I like Brokers/Poe too, but only because I think they will be the BPA this year at our pick. If there was a beast DE on the board, I would much rather pick one of them.

I also think that with the new passing rules that it is more important to have a good CB than a DT, but I seriously doubt that Claiborne will be there at 9, and I dont think any of the other CBs availible will be worth the #9.

Most likely, this team will draft Brockers IMO. We will cover the CB and safety position in FA if we dont find a starter in the later rounds.

I think it's much more beneficial to generate a push from the middle taking up most blockers and forcing the QB to avoid stepping up in the pocket while 2 average, yet quicker DE's face 1on1 coverage than it would be to have slower average DT's try to generate pressure while your DE's face double teams..

add a LBer blitzing to the mix and he's more sure to face a RB blocking than a guard or center.

and as for CB > DT... if you give a QB 5-7 seconds to throw, your CB is pretty much irrelevant or at least forces you to have more than 1 CB added to the picture.. since this is a passing league, and let's say you face Brees, you have 4 or 5 options to cover while no pass rush hits home because your DE's will simply fly past the QB since more often than not there's no pressure up the middle..

[bleys]

I agree about DT importance, and that an upgrade to that position will improve the performance of the other linemen around them, I am just basing my opinion on the belief that I think that DT isnt the biggest need on our team.

This coming season at DT, we will have Edwards back, and our rookies will have a full offseason of conditioning and experience under their belts. They may be able to fill the role that is required of them if they can improve their game

On the other hand, we dont have anyone else at CB. Safety or DE to step up and play better than the starters in front of them because there isnt anyone else on the roster.

What I am saying is that at least our DTs already on the roster have a good chance of improving themselves, while there aren't any options to get better at DE, CB or safety without bringing someone in via FA or draft.

I think that we will probably draft a DT because it will be BPA, not because it will be the biggest area of need.

you think our DT play is solidified better than Hardy and CJ at DE? I'm assuming depth is playing into that? Although, I'm not sold we are good (in any sense) just yet at DT, but we definitely have more options at this point..

CB, and especially Safety, I get.. I think we need more options at CB, but I also feel Hogan is going to take over #2 regardless of our draft (unless we take Claiborne, and I'm not sold that'll be handed over without a TC battle)

Safety, yeah, cannot argue Martin should be a backup at this point...

[MHS831]

Amazing what a combine does for a fairly good college player. Do your homework and get back to everyone. This guy is a workout warrior. That is it.

[Jangler]

Isn't Newton our Newton?

Newton is beyond our comprehension by now, here maybe a song will help.

[jarhead]

The only problem is that neither Poe nor Brockers did much beasting in college.

Cam Newton was hands down the best player in college football the year he declared. Brockers wasn't even the best player on his own defense. Poe was, but then again, there wasn't another D1 caliber player on that D.

Both are intriguing prospects, but nothing like Newton was - hence why we're talking about them as possibilities at #9 or lower, not #1 overall.

Not even a fair comparision.Newton was a great college player and people are trying to figure out how in the hell could a guy with the physcial attributes as Poe not even make 1st team in his conferance

[JawnyBlaze]

This "Brockers didn't produce in college" line is tired. Not having big stats doesn't mean not producing, especially for a DT. He was by far the most dominant D-lineman on one of the most dominant D-lines in college football. The only reason he wasn't the best defensive player on one of the best defenses in college football is because Claiborne is just that damn good, but Brockers was a not-distant second.

[pantherclaw]

Just a workout warrior.

Won't be any good.

Not important.

You guys sure say a lot things to talk you out of one of the best dt's in the draft.

[MadHatter]

This "Brockers didn't produce in college" line is tired. Not having big stats doesn't mean not producing, especially for a DT. He was by far the most dominant D-lineman on one of the most dominant D-lines in college football. The only reason he wasn't the best defensive player on one of the best defenses in college football is because Claiborne is just that damn good, but Brockers was a not-distant second.

The huge buzz around Brockers leading up to the combine was his freakish athletic ability. Most of the talking heads (and most on here) were saying that he shoudl be taken in the Top 10 because of his upside.

Everyone was expecting him to display this athletic ability at the combine. However, what he showed is that he does NOT have the speed, quickness, burst, or strength that most expected to see. He was a HUGe disappointment....and everyone associated with the combine is saying the same thing.

Fact of the matter is, he not only struggled in one of the drills. He was disappointing in EVERY one of them.

The guy just does not impress me. Now, that being said...he could very well be our pick because I am NOT a professional evaluator of NFL talent (and neither is anyone else here).

[rippadonn]

Not taking anything away from Poe, his workout was impressive.

Poe is 6'3 almost 6'4". Not 6'5" or 6'6".

To say Brockers didn't produce is complete garbage. Brockers stats are equal to or better than Devon Stills as a PT sophomore plus Brockers also had a blocked kick on top of it all, although Still had three more sacks.

I'm not against Poe or Still or Coples or anybody that can improve the Panthers PASS RUSH.