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The main reason for Cam's demeanor and "slump"...


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is because he has an apathetic head coach who has no fire and is not a leader.

If Cam had someone like Harbaugh, Gruden, or Brian Kelly who actually coached him up on the sidelines and lit into him when needed, it would make a huge difference. But Cam feels lost because he has nobody to guide him other than Shula. He goes and sulks on the bench with the Gatorade towel because Rivera lets him.

Ron is too scared to get in the face of his star quarterback. Take the Seattle game, for example, when Cam threw the ball into the turf. Ron was just like, "aw, shucks." And you know what? I don't think Cam respects him. He has every right not to.

A head coach is someone who commands respect and should have power over his players - sort of like a parent, so to speak. You love and enjoy your parents, but at the same time you aren't "buddies" with them and they hold power over you. I don't like using this word, but as a head coach you are a dictator. Ron seems to lack that relationship with his players - in fact, he seems to lack A relationship with his players. He seems to be more of a facilitator and organizer than a head coach. That, not his supposed lack of football knowledge, is why he isn't cut out to coach this team.

Our next head coach will be a mentor and fiery leader who has the balls to be real with Cam.

Just some late night thoughts. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.

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Eh, I won't put this on Rivera. This is just something Cam is going to have to learn to deal with. I'd say the best thing for him here is a veteran backup QB that has experienced the pressure before. Ironically, Jake Delhomme would be perfect to show Cam how to handle this stuff.

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is because he has an apathetic head coach who has no fire and is not a leader.

If Cam had someone like Harbaugh, Gruden, or Brian Kelly who actually coached him up on the sidelines and lit into him when needed, it would make a huge difference. But Cam feels lost because he has nobody to guide him other than Shula. He goes and sulks on the bench with the Gatorade towel because Rivera lets him.

Ron is too scared to get in the face of his star quarterback. Take the Seattle game, for example, when Cam threw the ball into the turf. Ron was just like, "aw, shucks." And you know what? I don't think Cam respects him. He has every right not to.

A head coach is someone who commands respect and should have power over his players - sort of like a parent, so to speak. You love and enjoy your parents, but at the same time you aren't "buddies" with them and they hold power over you. I don't like using this word, but as a head coach you are a dictator. Ron seems to lack that relationship with his players - in fact, he seems to lack A relationship with his players. He seems to be more of a facilitator and organizer than a head coach. That, not his supposed lack of football knowledge, is why he isn't cut out to coach this team.

Our next head coach will be a mentor and fiery leader who has the balls to be real with Cam.

Just some late night thoughts. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.

Rivera's players don't respect him?

Is that why they are still playing their asses off for him despite what is so far a train wreck of a season?

You think Rivera is scared?

Did you see him just about bite Captain's head off on the sidelines Sunday?

Ron Rivera was an NFL linebacker---not a great player, no, but a solid contributor on some great defensive teams for 9 years. And not in the Stone Age, either. Very, very few head coaches can say that. This gives him automatic cred in the locker room.

You don't see Rivera challenging Newton?

That's because Rivera is a defensive coach through and though and has given almost complete autonomy of the offense to others---and it is going to cost him his job.

You say he is not a firey leader?

Neither is Bill Belichick.

Another good defensive coach who was considered a complete failure as a head coach in his first gig.

Rivera's biggest problem is that he was persueded into adopting the read option offense and he has no leadership on the offensive side of the ball. None.

Sorry, brother, but a quarterback has got to be a leader. It is part of the job description. You should never have to cajole your quaterback into being a leader. He steps into the huddle and demands it.

Go ahead, gentleman, hurl the troll and idiot and moron remarks my way all you wish, but if the Carolina Panthers had RG III or Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson playing quarterback right now, they would not be 1-6. None of those guys have the talent of Cam Newton--but they all have moxie and all are strong, natural and mature leaders who dont cry and sulk about losing. They don't hide behind towels...

They go out and grab the bull by the freakin' horns and win...and DEMAND the same from their teammates.

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is because he has an apathetic head coach who has no fire and is not a leader.

If Cam had someone like Harbaugh, Gruden, or Brian Kelly who actually coached him up on the sidelines and lit into him when needed, it would make a huge difference. But Cam feels lost because he has nobody to guide him other than Shula. He goes and sulks on the bench with the Gatorade towel because Rivera lets him.

Ron is too scared to get in the face of his star quarterback. Take the Seattle game, for example, when Cam threw the ball into the turf. Ron was just like, "aw, shucks." And you know what? I don't think Cam respects him. He has every right not to.

A head coach is someone who commands respect and should have power over his players - sort of like a parent, so to speak. You love and enjoy your parents, but at the same time you aren't "buddies" with them and they hold power over you. I don't like using this word, but as a head coach you are a dictator. Ron seems to lack that relationship with his players - in fact, he seems to lack A relationship with his players. He seems to be more of a facilitator and organizer than a head coach. That, not his supposed lack of football knowledge, is why he isn't cut out to coach this team.

Our next head coach will be a mentor and fiery leader who has the balls to be real with Cam.

Just some late night thoughts. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.

Just another thread and post about how it is someone else's fault that Cam is immature and lacks leadership ability.

He bolted from UF when things got tough. He us not mentally tough.

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Just another thread and post about how it is someone else's fault that Cam is immature and lacks leadership ability.

He bolted from UF when things got tough. He us not mentally tough.

He bolted from UF because he wanted a clean slate -- and the fact there was no way in hell he was starting over Meyer's lovefest named The Golden Calf of Bristol. Sorry, you don't come back from a on the road 20 point deficit on arguably the hardest field to play on without having some mental toughness. Btw, he also led that team to National Title under a NCAA scandal. What has Auburn even accomplished SINCE Cam left?

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Cam played and acted the same way during his record breaking rookie season.....

Only difference is the the play calls and rest of the team was better.

Cam isn't in a slump when his ypc and ypp are both BETTER this year. TDs on down bc he sisnt getting the same help keeping drives going.

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Cam played and acted the same way during his record breaking rookie season.....

Only difference is the the play calls and rest of the team was better.

Cam isn't in a slump when his ypc and ypp are both BETTER this year. TDs on down bc he sisnt getting the same help keeping drives going.

Cam has NOT acted the same this season as last year. He was all smiles and upbeat last season. He looks like he is not having fun out there right now. I know the play calling has been sub-par, but this outcome is on Cam as well as the coaches.

Their playcalling has sucked, but Cam's execution has been sub-par.

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Eh, I won't put this on Rivera. This is just something Cam is going to have to learn to deal with. I'd say the best thing for him here is a veteran backup QB that has experienced the pressure before. Ironically, Jake Delhomme would be perfect to show Cam how to handle this stuff.

tommy jone make jake bad quarterback

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Cam has NOT acted the same this season as last year. He was all smiles and upbeat last season. He looks like he is not having fun out there right now. I know the play calling has been sub-par, but this outcome is on Cam as well as the coaches.

Their playcalling has sucked, but Cam's execution has been sub-par.

Like most of the time, you are wrong.

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