What Happens if DeAngelo Williams is Cut or Traded?

[carolina-chuck]

We save some cap space.

[rayzor]

I didn't mind the run game being a big part of the O. Our Oline is playing bad right now. Running the ball helps keep Cam upright. I just wish we would do some bootlegs...that poo pisses me off. It could help so much.

But overall they throw the ball quiet a bit. And sometimes at the worst possible times.

they threw the ball 29 times vs. freeman throwing 46 times.

oh yeah, we ran the ball 34 times. 2.9 yards per carry. we ran the ball too much. rarely it wasn't at the worst possible time because of the D we were facing.

it was a crappy gameplan against a weak pass defense but strong run D.....but it was the run:pass ratio that many on here prefer.

[MadHatter]

Or maybe we keep him and a new coach has the ability to use him correctly?

Always a possibility. However, having that much money tied up in one position makes is very difficult to add talent elsewhere....especially in a position that is becoming marginalized in today's NFL.

I would be surprised if both DLo and Stew are both here next season.

[La Pantera]

they threw the ball 29 times vs. freeman throwing 46 times.

oh yeah, we ran the ball 34 times. 2.9 yards per carry. we ran the ball too much. rarely it wasn't at the worst possible time because of the D we were facing.

it was a crappy gameplan against a weak pass defense but strong run D.....but it was the run:pass ratio that many on here prefer.

I wasn't pointing at this game alone, with my statment about throwing at the wrong times. It was more in general. I do agree that they could've passed more against TB. Esp. when Wright got hurt. I actually got pissed and wondered why they didn't attack the backup. My point on running the ball had more to do with the fact that Cams been getting blasted, because the pass protection sux right now. That's why I get pissed that we never use the bootleg. Get Cam away from the pressure and give him a lil more time to throw it. Hell if you bootleg and nobodys open he'll have a chance to run.

[Raskle]

We move on if he's gone, and draft a true fullback, not this stop-gap poo we have with Tolbert. Get back to running an I-formation and two TE sets that actually work for Cam and the offense, and completely remove the words "Read-option" from the Panthers' vocabulary.

I'm hoping at least, and this is provided we get a coaching staff and GM with at least half a fuging brain their heads, and not a tenth of one in their asses like we have now.

[Ken]

Tolbert will get more snaps, Poole should be moved up. No need for a RB in FA/Draft if Williams is cut/traded.

[carolinarolls]

we will be better off

nothing against DWill. I love him. But the big non-producing money has got to go. ALL of it.

[tight lines]

If Deangelo Williams is cut what should happen is whoever did it should be retroactively fired.

[PantherFanOne]

i'm too lazy to look it up and my brain hasn't engaged yet, but at when can williams contract be dumped without penalty?

Unlike other major sports, trades are uncommon in the NFL. The reason for that is simple: the league’s salary cap system makes is very difficult to trade players until they’re near the end of their contracts.

NFL contracts generally aren’t guaranteed. Instead players sign for a number of years and get a signing bonus. For salary cap purposes, the signing bonus is pro-rated over the life of the contract. DeAmgelo Williams signed a five-year, $43 million deal last season, including a $16 million signing bonus. Williams carries a $8.45 million cap figure this season — $5.25 in salary plus a $3.2 million portion (one-fifth) of the signing bonus. Trading a player is treated the same as cutting a player for salary cap purposes: All the remaining signing bonus money ($9.6 million in Williams’ case) comes forward as an immediate or nearly-immediate cap hit. That’s $7 million currently. Williams’ cap figure for next season is $7.95 million or a $9.6 million cap hit to release him or trade him. Those are huge numbers for a team with limited salary cap space.

: The same problem exists with all those big contracts Marty Hurney handed out recently. Cutting Jon Beason, for example, during the off season would net out to a $4.75 million cap hit ($8.6 million cap value if he’s on the roster, $13.3 million cap figure if he’s cut).

[rayzor]

Unlike other major sports, trades are uncommon in the NFL. The reason for that is simple: the league’s salary cap system makes is very difficult to trade players until they’re near the end of their contracts.

NFL contracts generally aren’t guaranteed. Instead players sign for a number of years and get a signing bonus. For salary cap purposes, the signing bonus is pro-rated over the life of the contract. DeAmgelo Williams signed a five-year, $43 million deal last season, including a $16 million signing bonus. Williams carries a $8.45 million cap figure this season — $5.25 in salary plus a $3.2 million portion (one-fifth) of the signing bonus. Trading a player is treated the same as cutting a player for salary cap purposes: All the remaining signing bonus money ($9.6 million in Williams’ case) comes forward as an immediate or nearly-immediate cap hit. That’s $7 million currently. Williams’ cap figure for next season is $7.95 million or a $9.6 million cap hit to release him or trade him. Those are huge numbers for a team with limited salary cap space.

: The same problem exists with all those big contracts Marty Hurney handed out recently. Cutting Jon Beason, for example, during the off season would net out to a $4.75 million cap hit ($8.6 million cap value if he’s on the roster, $13.3 million cap figure if he’s cut).

maybe i didn't ask the question right.

for example, if williams was retained for another year, what would his cap hit be if he was released after that year?

i'm trying to find out when it will no longer hurt the cap for him to be cut? at what point will it cost less to release him than to keep him?

[ZackAttack23]

The real life team will be better.

But my Madden team will take a massive hit because I'm a beast using D-Will

Same here. That's why I want Kenjon Barner or Giovani Bernard in the draft. Not just because of Madden, but because I think it will benefit our offense and return game.

[KRAKEN]

this post should read WHEN we lose Deangelo

[JawnyBlaze]

Why do you think that?

If I recall correctly, Poole got cut and Smith made it to the PS. I like them both, though. Poole a bit more. Both looked (in preseason admittedly) to be more than capable backups.

[LinvilleGorge]

I love DeAngelo. He seems like a legitimately good dude and I think he's a damn good NFL RB. However, I don't think it's an "if" on whether or not he's released or traded. Actually, I see a trade being a long shot. For one, we'd take all the cap hit up front, and secondly, another team would either have to be willing to accept his contract or he'd have to be willing to restructure. I don't see either being very likely. No team is going to take on that deal for a RB rapidly approaching the dreaded 30 year old mark and why would DeAngelo restructure when he can sit tight, force his release, and take his pick among suitors?

I think there's a very high likelihood that DeAngelo is a post-June 1st cut next year and that he ends up in either GB or Denver shortly afterward. Best of luck to him. No ill will toward him from this fan.

Stewart needs to be our workhorse going forward and Tolbert is more than capable as a backup. Let Smith and Poole battle it out for #3. We have too many other needs to invest a high or mid-round pick in a RB and I think Stewart/Tolbert with Smith/Poole is plenty sufficient. As a huge UNC fan, I'd love to see Gio Bernard in a Panthers jersey, but I think he's probably a 1st rounder. We absolutely cannot spend a 1st rounder on a RB and even a 2cd rounder would be a luxury pick we can't afford to make. We need all the help in the trenches and secondary (SAFETY) that we can get.