Real reason we suck....more evidence

[Kevin Greene]

Yeah....that isn't actually true anymore. Which is why his career ypc isn't 5 ypc any longer.

I beg forgiveness, his career average before this game was 4.9 ypc.

http://www.pro-footb.../W/WillDe02.htm

Maybe with todays 5.6 ypc average it will be back to 5. :thumbsu:

[CRA]

We quite possibly have the worst coaching staff to ever be fielded in the NFL.

I'd question Rivera's ability to win big time HS games, much less college or NFL.

THIS.

Chud and McD have their pros and cons.....Rivera just isn't a HC and that kills us.

[Lumps]

100% Agreed.

The coaching kills us all the time it's our main issue. Players will make mistakes and Hurney didn't help but the coaching doesn't even give us a chance to play respectfully. Easily the biggest problem. People say we are inproving but we are on pace for a worse record this year and frankly, I don't see coaching improving, and it shouldn't be hard to improve coaching aspects from last year.

[Upper Deck West End Zone]

You can blame coaching all you want. But too many players on this team make too many unforced errors. False starts. 12 men on the field. Encroachment. Personal fouls. Dropping perfect passes. These are professional athletes who know they're not supposed to make these mistakes--especially in December.

[CRA]

You can blame coaching all you want. But too many players on this team make too many unforced errors. False starts. 12 men on the field. Encroachment. Personal fouls. Dropping perfect passes. These are professional athletes who know they're not supposed to make these mistakes--especially in December.

Pretty sure dumb penalties is yet another thing pointing to..... poor coaching.

[Tarheels23]

Other than Cam, it's absolutely amazing how bad our 2011 draft was.

[Snake]

After this crap season is over Im going to review all the games and break down the Good,the Bad, and the Ugly of this team. Should be very interesting.

[P.I.A]

So does this game, unofficially, make us the worst team in the league?

[jabberwockie]

I skimmed through this thread so im sorry if someone already brought this up, but honestly if Lafell didn't drop that pass around the ten yard line that landed in his lap, i think Carolina wins this game. Also, whats up with all the shoving going on in Ravens/Steelers game that refs dive in the middle of, but one shove from a panther to a chief and unsportsmanlike conduct gets called. That's some bs.

[Fox007]

So does this game, unofficially, make us the worst team in the league?

It's as official as it gets actually.

Dwan Edwards was the only man holding the defense together(which is sad in its own right)

Chud and the Oline injuries have crippled the offense.

Hurney crippled the depth(for years to come mind you) with his appalling trades and moronic draft picks.

Only thing that can save us from a few more years of rebuilding is to actually do something good in FA(which will be hard to do b/c of Hurney yet again), have an epicly good draft, and hire a coaching staff that is really good.

GL with that....I guess.

[MaineManPanther]

Newton being his so called own play action isn't the same.....and the lack of run game also has hurt us moving the chains and keeping the O on the field (which is why our TDs are down yet Cam plays almost identical as last year). Little help on the year moving chains.....less TDs. Cam is the same.

Not a talent issue. Coaching issue. Most glaring and consistant one. There are others....like Rivera coaching scared and safe late. It all goes to coaching.

Who's saying its a talent issue? The running has been a problem. But the title of leading rusher is moot as long as we had a overall good rushing game.

[Match.com]

Ron s gone before the season.

[Cary Kollins]

Coaching. Chud and Ron.

12 games in.

Carolina RBs have lead the team in rushing in a pathetic 5 games.

Some perspective on how pathetic that is.....

Even when Mike Vick set a NFL record and went for 1000 rushing yards a RB lead his team in rushing in 7 of those first 12 (more than half). Cam isn't on pace nor trying to do something crazy on the ground.....sad, really sad. We give Cam less help than any QB in the NFL on the ground and we have completely controlled and done that to ourselves

That limits Cam and our D. Fug those guys and there lazy 2012 "Well we have Cam mindset, he can do it all and we don't need to help".

I agree with everything except the part about Cam not doing anythjng special on the ground. He is already the first QB to rush for 500+ yards in his first two seasons.

[raleigh-panther]

I'm going to have a really really hard time coughing up $4200 for PSLs come end of March for the 2013 season.

Real hard.