Scott Fowler: Wins are Cam's litmus test this year

[bleys]

Two 4th quarter comebacks would be better than Zero...

However, I know he has it in him.

[csx]

You guys know what determines a 4th qtr comeback......the team that has the ball last. I need to look it up but I know Cam got us alot of leads with 2-3 min left in game. Then the D or special teams blows it and we have less then 20 seconds left, not even Brady can score that fast most of the time.

Now counter argument, yes Cam failed in ATL and SEA, but that is the only two times I can think of.

Nevertheless I want to see the wins so we can shut the world up.

Last point yes we had the 10th ranked defense...thats for 58 minutes. I know for a fact our D had to be 32nd in the last 5 minutes of the 4th qtr!

If the offense could run out the clock, ever, the defense wouldn't need to see the field. It's a team sport, it all has to work to win.

[usmcpanthers]

Thats tru but no one can discount the horrendous play calls we had that greatly contributed to the offensives inepitude to run out the clock. QB runs what he is told, and we still havent seen the coaches give Cam more audible freedom yet.

If the offense could run out the clock, ever, the defense wouldn't need to see the field. It's a team sport, it all has to work to win.

 

[mcdougal]

I will say it again. Cam Newton and the passing game are about 4th in determining if we win games this year. I am far more focused on what our pass rush and defensive running game will do this year.

 

Anybody who thinks this offense can carry us is smoking crack.

 

We did not focus there. We focused exclusively on defense. In fact, we hired a person that nobody else would hire to the same position to run the offense.

 

This team is going as far as our defense can take us.

[bleys]

I will say it again. Cam Newton and the passing game are about 4th in determining if we win games this year. I am far more focused on what our pass rush and defensive running game will do this year.

Anybody who thinks this offense can carry us is smoking crack.

We did not focus there. We focused exclusively on defense. In fact, we hired a person that nobody else would hire to the same position to run the offense.

This team is going as far as our defense can take us.

Can't wait!

[cameronnew297]

Please let me see Luck have some 4th quarter comebacks playing in the NFC south. Would never happen. Shitty divison he plays in

there is a lot a talk on here about luck only beating bad teams. he beat three playoff teams, packers, Vikings, and Texans. and as for him not being able to handle the nfc south, well, I don't think he would have had a lot of trouble with that saints defense, and lets face it, the panthers weren't considered a real strong finishing team, to say the least.

[cameronnew297]

you could have just posted "i don't know what any of that means" and moved on

 

yes why point to anything quantifiable when we can just yell about wins like we're on ESPN.com.  if we're talking about wins and fourth quarter comebacks as the sole criteria and actual statistics don't matter then luck's profile is actually a pretty close match to tim couch as he did a lot of the same stuff as a rookie but missed the playoffs due to injury.  it makes just as much sense as blindly saying he's going to be great and win super bowls.  go find somebody stupid to troll. 

 

also the word "s h i t" by itself is auto filtered to "poo" on this board.  however, if i was to call you a shitty dumbshit poster who doesn't know football from a shithole in the ground, that would not be word filtered :).

ur really comparing luck to couch? really? why r u so bitter against luck, I know the colts got lucky when luck stayed at Stanford and yall didn't get him, but u love cam so much, and cam is gonna be so great, why are you still so bitter. after reading this board a while, I think you're trying to convince yourselves that cam is the real deal. its always, when cam is able to do this or that he is gonna be scary. and before I forget, luck didn't miss the playoffs due to injury.

[teeray]

excuses, excuses, excuses. qb's have always been judged on wins, leadership, and play in crunch time. cam has not stacked up in any of these areas. its amazing luck had 7 fourth quarter comebacks in his rookie season, absorbed 41 sacks, was hit about every time he threw the ball, showed great toughness and leadership skills, and according to most in panther nation he cant play a lick. wow!

Do you know how many games the Colts defense closed for him this year with 3:00+ minutes left in the game and a one score lead to provide him with that many 4Q comebacks?

Look it up and compare over our team this year when we had leads late in games.

[iamhubby1]

I will say it again. Cam Newton and the passing game are about 4th in determining if we win games this year. I am far more focused on what our pass rush and defensive running game will do this year.

 

Anybody who thinks this offense can carry us is smoking crack.

 

We did not focus there. We focused exclusively on defense. In fact, we hired a person that nobody else would hire to the same position to run the offense.

 

This team is going as far as our defense can take us.

Com'on man. If you are going to go off the deep end. At least get your facts straight.

We did not focus solely on the D. Yes we added more guys on that side than the Offense, but we did add plenty of guys on the O. Hixon, Ginn Jr., Barner, KugZilla. Granted, that ain't a plethora of guys. But it shoots down your claim that we invested solely on the Defense.

It is fine to worry. I just don't see the need to go all herpy derpy over it. But then again, to each his own. So have at it.

Oh and by the way. We hired the guy that Rivera decided gave us the best chance to be successful. Not like we had a bucket list of candidates to choose from.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Yea I've never been a fan of attributing wins to a single player or position in a game that's as much a team sport as football. If there is one person wins should be attributed to it's the coach and only the coach.

 

I agree with you for the most part.

 

UNLESS the mistake is like a wide open Hartsock and the ball is thrown into the ground 5 feet from him. Even if he was scrambling.

 

OR When a QB has a terrible throw that is intercepted during a critical part of the game.

[JawnyBlaze]

yea, that bad pass against Seattle is the only loss I think is reasonably attributed to Cam.  Sure the whole team could have played better at other parts of the game that would have not made it matter, but some games really do come down to one play.  Same way the first ATL game came down to a combo of bad coaching to call a play where Gamble blitzes on a play where a hail mary bomb is the only chance to lose combined with Nakamura's pathetic attempt to jump to defend the pass on that play.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Com'on man. If you are going to go off the deep end. At least get your facts straight.

We did not focus solely on the D. Yes we added more guys on that side than the Offense, but we did add plenty of guys on the O. Hixon, Ginn Jr., Barner, KugZilla. Granted, that ain't a plethora of guys. But it shoots down your claim that we invested solely on the Defense.

It is fine to worry. I just don't see the need to go all herpy derpy over it. But then again, to each his own. So have at it.

Oh and by the way. We hired the guy that Rivera decided gave us the best chance to be successful. Not like we had a bucket list of candidates to choose from.

One guy was a west coast offense guy... the other not sure....and a guy that has been closer to our top 5 and a top 12 offense.   Who would you choose?

 

I find it funny he said.. We hired a coach no one else wanted.  SO what was his point.  I am glad he was overlooked.

 

Shula was my #1 Candidate.  Sad thing is, once he does well (and he will) and the world see that the Tampa Bay Offensive Coordinator's position deal was a farce.  We'll lose him to a head coaching job. 

[cameronnew297]

Do you know how many games the Colts defense closed for him this year with 3:00+ minutes left in the game and a one score lead to provide him with that many 4Q comebacks?

Look it up and compare over our team this year when we had leads late in games.

yes they were a pretty gutsy unit that was assembled by new regime with little money to spend because they were hamstrung by polians overpayment to average talent, ie gary bracket, Melvin bulitt, etc., also the 2012 draft addressed the offense, with the additions of luck, fleener, Dwayne allen, t.y. Hilton, and vic ballard. it was the most productive offensive draft class ever. earning grigson gm of the year. for the overall 27th ranked defense, they were a pretty gritty bunch. that said, luck's ability to play his best ball at games end was very impressive, especially for a rookie.

[FootballMaestro]

yes they were a pretty gutsy unit that was assembled by new regime with little money to spend because they were hamstrung by polians overpayment to average talent, ie gary bracket, Melvin bulitt, etc., also the 2012 draft addressed the offense, with the additions of luck, fleener, Dwayne allen, t.y. Hilton, and vic ballard. it was the most productive offensive draft class ever. earning grigson gm of the year. for the overall 27th ranked defense, they were a pretty gritty bunch. that said, luck's ability to play his best ball at games end was very impressive, especially for a rookie.

 

Though I know you're trolling; shouldn't receive much attention here. Nonetheless, I'm game for the moment, and will let you know, I think you missed the previous posters point. 

 

He was trying to say, that Luck has been shaky in many for quarters (or at least proceeding it). And even when he did play well, his defense bailed him out and sealed the win, when Cam's defense did/could not. That's the difference. It's not as if Luck walked off the field like a conquering hero, the last play of the game those six wins. of course not! As the previous poster said, 'The Colt's opposition had ample time to score, and the Colt's D sealed the wins'.  

 

I'm sure you already seen the stats posted, where Cam had better 4th Quarter stats, QB rating, and QBR than Luck did. However, regardless of either defensive units end of the year ranking, the Colts Defense played better, and held on to games when it counted.  And that my friend, was/is totally out of Cam Newton's hands (along with being Big Play, situational defense, and good coaching by the Colts). Kudos to the Colt's team, Arians and Luck.