Surprising statistic

[Strawman]

From Pro-football Focus.

"Carolina Panthers: When opponents have run between the guards, the Panthers have given up 266 yards on 44 attempts. That is a 6.0 yards per carry average which is the worst in the league. However when running outside of the tackles, they have allowed 94 yards on 47 carries for a 2.0 yards per carry average which is the best in the league."

[Argus Plexus]

Wat

[SauceBoss]

FUA'd

[Sawyerballer]

That averages out to roughly. 6 times a game a team ran it up the middle. Seams low. Maybe they made a mistake with the number (44).

[rodeo]

Garbage time numbers given up by Fua and co.

[Kuech the Sneak]

Stil kinda surprising to me

[Kuech the Sneak]

That stat reminds me of APs game against our D, he wasn't doing anything but then ripped off a 30 yard run to make it look like he played well. Ended up averaging 6 yards a carry

[0115]

Wouldn't be surprised cause once the RB goes through the Dline they got to face the backers next.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

big runs up the middle will skew the stats.

another way to look at it is the linebackers aren't doing as well a job cleaning up runs up the middle as they are on the sides.

[panthers55]

It really is a few big runs given up by the scrubs which have screwed the stats.  At least 100 of those yards were 2 big runs given up  when Fua was in there. Hard to believe he is really that bad but he is. 

[csx]

It would have to be more than a few or they would need to be really huge runs to skew the average if 44 attempts.

[rayzor]

i don't have access to pff (cause i'm not going to pay $30 to just look at a few numbers others can get for me), but i just looked up pro footbal reference and saw their break downs of where the ball went in these games and from their stats there were 61 carries up the middle this year for 267 yards (and they break it up LE-LT-LG-M-RG-RT-RE). that's only 4.3ypa, which isn't bad.

 

here's how they had it broken down going down the middle:

seattle: 6-43 (2-29 in 4th)

bills: 11-40

giants: 7-47 (2-30 in 4th)

cards: 14-45

vikes: 9-56 (1-31 in 3rd)

rams: 10-24

bucs: 4-12

 

those numbers in parentheses are very skewing...5 carries/90 yards. i know you can't take those numbers out, but if you did...that would be 56 runs up the middle for 177 yards, 3.16ypa.

 

if you go by pff's numbers, it's likely that those 5 big runs were part of their 44 carries up the middle. if that is the case, and you took out those 5 big runs that leaves you with 4.51 ypa, which still isn't bad.

 

if anyone who actually does have access to pff's data (fieryprophet, i'm looking at you) can take a look at the personnel on the field for those 5 big runs, i think you might find the reason...well, at least a reason.

 

here's where those 5 runs happened.

seattle: turbin for 15 yards at 11:05 in 4th

seattle: lynch for 14 yards at 2:14 in 4th

giants: wilson for 12 yards at 12:51 in 4th

giants: wilson for 18 yards at 3:55 in 4th

vikings: peterson for 31 at 6:10 in 3rd

[Strawman]

i don't have access to pff (cause i'm not going to pay $30 to just look at a few numbers others can get for me), but i just looked up pro footbal reference and saw their break downs of where the ball went in these games and from their stats there were 61 carries up the middle this year for 267 yards (and they break it up LE-LT-LG-M-RG-RT-RE). that's only 4.3ypa, which isn't bad.

here's how they had it broken down going down the middle:

seattle: 6-43 (2-29 in 4th)

bills: 11-40

giants: 7-47 (2-30 in 4th)

cards: 14-45

vikes: 9-56 (1-31 in 3rd)

rams: 10-24

bucs: 4-12

those numbers in parentheses are very skewing...5 carries/90 yards. i know you can't take those numbers out, but if you did...that would be 56 runs up the middle for 177 yards, 3.16ypa.

if you go by pff's numbers, it's likely that those 5 big runs were part of their 44 carries up the middle. if that is the case, and you took out those 5 big runs that leaves you with 4.51 ypa, which still isn't bad.

if anyone who actually does have access to pff's data (fieryprophet, i'm looking at you) can take a look at the personnel on the field for those 5 big runs, i think you might find the reason...well, at least a reason.

here's where those 5 runs happened.

seattle: turbin for 15 yards at 11:05 in 4th

seattle: lynch for 14 yards at 2:14 in 4th

giants: wilson for 12 yards at 12:51 in 4th

giants: wilson for 18 yards at 3:55 in 4th

vikings: peterson for 31 at 6:10 in 3rd

I thought the same a thing, but here's the problem. How do those few big runs, none of that great of consequence make for a worst in league average?

[rayzor]

I thought the same a thing, but here's the problem. How do those few big runs, none of that great of consequence make for a worst in league average?

 

not sure what the question is, but those few big runs skews the average in a big way to such a degree that it makes it look really bad.

 

here's another thing to consider, we aren't getting run on up the middle as much as other teams are. in fact we arent getting run on much at all. we have been run on a total of 151 times this year...which is the least for any team in the league. the average is 199.6 and the most is 270 times (jags).

 

when you have that small a sample and you have some outliers like those five runs, it's going to make things look worse than they actually are.

 

the big picture is that teams are only getting 3.7ypa (only 4 teams giving up less per attempt), 79.3 rushing yards per game (only the jets give up less), and just 2 rushing TDs (only the ravens have given up less).