Grantland: Rivera Made Best Coaching Moves of the Week

[fieryprophet]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10033624/bill-barnwell-week-12-nfl

 

The move of the week belonged to — who else — Riverboat Ron Rivera. With his Panthers trailing 16-13 and the Dolphins holding on to the football with 4:39 left, Rivera used his timeouts to try to get the ball back. A second-and-15 checkdown on the Miami side of the field kept the clock running, but Rivera realized that the move set up a third-and-11, which would likely result in an opportunity to get the ball back in two plays. He used his first timeout, and when Miami checked down again on third-and-11, he used his second timeout to get the ball back with 4:20 left. If he had saved his timeouts, Rivera would have gotten the ball back instead with about 3:00 to go.

[PhillyB]

COTY

[Fox007]

If we can fix the asinine 1st Quarter Timeouts and the snapping the ball with .05 milliseconds left on the play clock we'll be in great shape.

[KSpan]

If we can fix the asinine 1st Quarter Timeouts and the snapping the ball with .05 milliseconds left on the play clock we'll be in great shape.

 

One of the first quarter timeouts yesterday was Cam getting his head straight after Wake hit him in the face, but yes, it does seem like Carolina burns a timeout or two each game trying to get a playcall in. 

[the butch]

And if we would have lost, he would look like he doesn't know what he is doing.  I hate these kind of arguments.  We had to go for it on 4th and 10 at our own 20.  Not saying Ron is a bad coach, but you would like to not have to be in that position.  He still has a lot of making up to do in my book.  Again, not trying to bash on Rivera, just trying to respond to the thread topic.  I just hate how analysts contrive these argument post hoc.

[CharlottePanther]

So if the Chiefs keep stumbling, does that improve Rivera's chances for COY?

[Chaos]

So if the Chiefs keep stumbling, does that improve Rivera's chances for COY?

I don't know, their turnaround from last year is still rather remarkable.

[Servant of Cthululelei]

And if we would have lost, he would look like he doesn't know what he is doing.  I hate these kind of arguments.  We had to go for it on 4th and 10 at our own 20.  Not saying Ron is a bad coach, but you would like to not have to be in that position.  He still has a lot of making up to do in my book.  Again, not trying to bash on Rivera, just trying to respond to the thread topic.  I just hate how analysts contrive these argument post hoc.

 

So what're they supposed to do?  Post a write-up in the 40 seconds of playclock before these game-changing plays occur?  All sports commentary is post-hoc.  And if they all just wrote the same old "either decision could have been right or wrong" drivel, then no one would read it.

 

Rivera made a call that he didn't HAVE to make in a high-pressure situation, and it helped lead us to a win.  That's a good call.  Mike Smith passed on that same decision in almost the exact same situation and it helped them to lose.  That's a bad call.  Seems like a pretty sound argument to me.

[CharlottePanther]

I don't know, their turnaround from last year is still rather remarkable.

I hate to use this excuse because I hated it when people said it about us but they have beaten absolutely noone, they had opportunities against the Broncos and failed and couldnt even beat the Chargers. We are more battle tested and have beaten elite teams.

[the butch]

So what're they supposed to do?  Post a write-up in the 40 seconds of playclock before these game-changing plays occur?  All sports commentary is post-hoc.  And if they all just wrote the same old "either decision could have been right or wrong" drivel, then no one would read it.

 

Rivera made a call that he didn't HAVE to make in a high-pressure situation, and it helped lead us to a win.  That's a good call.  Mike Smith passed on that same decision in almost the exact same situation and it helped them to lose.  That's a bad call.  Seems like a pretty sound argument to me.

 

And if we lose?

 

I bracketed my comment with a "I'm not bashing the decision" disclaimer, yet you still take offense to it.  And just because "all sports commentary is post-hoc," [and accepting that as true] that doesn't make it correct; 2 + 2 still equals 4 no matter what the masses say.  You can still report post-game without crafting your opinion on the outcome, and I believe you are confusing the two.

[PantherFanOne]

So what're they supposed to do?  Post a write-up in the 40 seconds of playclock before these game-changing plays occur?  All sports commentary is post-hoc.  And if they all just wrote the same old "either decision could have been right or wrong" drivel, then no one would read it.

 

Rivera made a call that he didn't HAVE to make in a high-pressure situation, and it helped lead us to a win.  That's a good call.  Mike Smith passed on that same decision in almost the exact same situation and it helped them to lose.  That's a bad call.  Seems like a pretty sound argument to me.

 

 

In this same situation with 4th and long,i wonder what call John Fox would have made, if he had been the Panthers HC?

[ZacharyDNorman]

Riverboat Ron t-shirt!

 

MOD EDIT: quit trying to sell tshirts in here. it's not allowed.

[ed bell]

And if we would have lost, he would look like he doesn't know what he is doing. I hate these kind of arguments. We had to go for it on 4th and 10 at our own 20. Not saying Ron is a bad coach, but you would like to not have to be in that position. He still has a lot of making up to do in my book. Again, not trying to bash on Rivera, just trying to respond to the thread topic. I just hate how analysts contrive these argument post hoc.

So as HC he does what instead so we have the time outs? I don't see the criticism here unless you're going to say "don't be down 3"

[ed bell]

And I get that you are critical of the write up giving kudos, but you obviously don't think Ron deserves any credit for the way the end of the 4th went down.