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[Actionman0z]

Who cares...

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[KendrickPanther]

If you watch Luck play he does some really really stupid things. He is definitely a good player but some people try to act like he's some Stanford genius, he's not.

 

In one thread I see "Luck has way better weapons than Cam" in another thread I see "Luck has no weapons". To me the weapons card is overplayed. Some Quarterbacks need weapons to play well, other Quarterbacks make their weapons play well. Peyton Manning has always had great receivers, maybe it's because of Peyton and not the receivers. He made Pierre Garcon a good player. I was never that impressed with the WRs from Green Bay. If you have an amazing QB and a good system you are going to score some TDs.Greg Jennings looks mediocre in Minnesota  (granted he's older).

[Actionman0z]

Who cares. Jesus, you did not pick Cam and your not related to him. They can talk about how good everyone else is as long as week keep winning.

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[FattyFatFat]

I think Luck and Cam are virtually the same type of passer. Newton, of course, is more athletic. The difference between them is one has been groomed to 'replace' a future HOFer and the other has been presented in a negative light before even taking a snap.

Cam has a bigger arm and is stronger.

[Chaos]

The biggest difference between the two? Luck was annointed before he was drafted, therefore he will not be torn down without overwhelming evidence that he is a bust. Highly unlikely.

Cam was not expected to become a successful NFL quarterback, but instead a college athlete playing a style that wouldn't translate and was gimmicky.

It will always be easier to support the Luck narrative then the Cam narrative.

[FootballMaestro]

The biggest difference between the two? Luck was annointed before he was drafted, therefore he will not be torn down without overwhelming evidence that he is a bust. Highly unlikely.

Cam was not  DESIRED to become a successful NFL quarterback, but instead a college athlete playing a style that wouldn't translate and was gimmicky.

It will always be easier to support the Luck narrative then the Cam narrative.

 

Fixed. 

 

Cause all the other scouts and legitimate scouting firms saw and heard what the Panthers did when they looked into Newton. 

 

The General media/broadcasters, just refused to objectively look at Cam, though the scouting firms and team departments knew he was legit, just as the Panthers did (whether media types bothered to look or listen to the scouts/scouting services or not). Trust me. They knew Cam was the Real Deal!

 

And I certainly agree on, what you said about Luck, and the media treatment of him!

[Brooklyn Bully]

You guys are STILL butthurt about stuff like this? Jesus H. Christ.

[Growl]

I dont care to get into the Cam Vs Luck debate because I respect both players, but I will say LOL at any analyst who heralded Luck as the next Manning. Even when comparing their early seasons, the two couldnt be more different players from one another.

[Carl Spackler]

I respect Luck but find it nearly impossible to cheer for a player not on the Panthers

 

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[QueensKing]

If Cam is ever rated higher than Luck by anyone, the blow to the collective egos and credibility of so many people will be damaged.  The line is drawn with Luck, whom they anointed as the next HOF great, and Cam who was the next Jamarcus Russel/Vince Young.  Once Cam is ranked higher, there is a double whammy of ego blows, one that they were wrong about Luck, and two, that they were wrong about Cam.   

 

To me, if Cam is even in the conversation then he's winning, and that's enough for me.  We can see how good our QB is.  It's like the tearing down and crumbling of the Berlin Wall, Cam is chipping away, and once it's torn down many people will fall with it. 

[FootballMaestro]

If Cam is ever rated higher than Luck by anyone, the blow to the collective egos and credibility of so many people will be damaged.  The line is drawn with Luck, whom they anointed as the next HOF great, and Cam who was the next Jamarcus Russel/Vince Young.  Once Cam is ranked higher, there is a double whammy of ego blows, one that they were wrong about Luck, and two, that they were wrong about Cam.   

 

To me, if Cam is even in the conversation then he's winning, and that's enough for me.  We can see how good our QB is.  It's like the tearing down and crumbling of the Berlin Wall, Cam is chipping away, and once it's torn down many people will fall with it. 

 

Cam was actually rated very high coming out of college by legitimate scouting services. The two major questions people had about his character and college system, were easily answered by just digging a little deeper (thorough back ground checks/interviews and film breakdown), as Carolina, and other scouting services/publications/NFL departments did.

 

Nonetheless, the MEDIA (not NFL SCOUTING DEPARTMENTS), kept pushing the uncertainty stuff regarding Cam, while he was already decided to be the first pick by early spring of 2011, months before the draft. 

 

Yes, and even now (as you're stating), many in the media don't want to give Cam his due, cause they just didn't want to like him, and/or believed the nonsense that was easily dis-proven with some cursory research (as now). 

[MadHatter]

Dear God. Another thread on the huddle bitching about some taking head who is. "Dissing your QB".

Why do you guys care so much about this? You can't control it and it does not impact anything in our lives.

[footballisasport]

Rosenthal just can't give up on his Luck love (though he's good at giving Cam the credit he is due)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me see here... Cam has a higher QB rating than Luck?

 

Check.

 

Cam has a higher yards per attempt than Luck? 

 

Check.

 

Cam has more TDs scored than Luck?

 

Check.

 

And (using last years NFL "expert" criteria) Cam has more "wins" than Luck?

 

Check.

 

And, just guessing here (and using yet another of last year's NFL "expert" criteria), but I think Cam has more "clutch" "comeback" wins this year than Luck?

 

But Luck is the better QB?

 

OK.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000304038/article/quarterback-index-yearend-rankings

I keep telling you folks today's media suffers from Belief Perseverance. The desire to hold unto their own concept even in the face of discredited proof.

 

Luck is their chosen QB and unless he falls flat on his face he will be hyped as better than the other QBs no matter how much better than him they perform. As a matter of fact, don't be surprised if those who insist on pushing Luck start imposing the weaknesses of Luck unto Cam like they did when Stafford, their 2010 chosen QB. When he had his second year slump, they turned around and imposed it unto Cam's second season despite Cam playing about as good as he did his first season and the team won one more game than the season before. And that was also despite the Defense still struggling.

[footballisasport]

Cam was actually rated very high coming out of college by legitimate scouting services. The two major questions people had about his character and college system, were easily answered by just digging a little deeper (thorough back ground checks/interviews and film breakdown), as Carolina, and other scouting services/publications/NFL departments did.

 

Nonetheless, the MEDIA (not NFL SCOUTING DEPARTMENTS), kept pushing the uncertainty stuff regarding Cam, while he was already decided to be the first pick by early spring of 2011, months before the draft. 

 

Yes, and even now (as you're stating), many in the media don't want to give Cam his due, cause they just didn't want to like him, and/or believed the nonsense that was easily dis-proven with some cursory research (as now). 

 

it's funny because the media forced the Panthers to really do a thorough background check on Cam. Better than any other top drafted player, I am sure to this day. I think Rivera said he went as far back to Blinn and University of Florida.

 

I think they even checked to see how many parking tickets Cam had, until they realized he own a scooter..LOL