remember that rumor about the 9ers trading Harbaugh?

[Mr. Scot]

he was mine as well. i'm more than ok wiith rivera now that he turned the corner and started taking risks.

that said, i still think that if you want to turn an underachieving team around in a hurry, harbaugh is the one to do it. you can't deny his success, imo. i think a lot of it has to do with his ability to spread his attitude to others. his attitude is infectious, imo. i think he knows what people need to do to get the best out of them and can push people to achieve his vision of what excellence is and what it takes to be a winner. he accepts nothing less than winning and he pursues that goal like a pit bull after a fat rabbit.

the thing about his is that he probably pushes too much. i think it's just enough to turn people around, but then i don't think he lets up and while that mindset can impress you at first, it can also wear on you if it's unrelenting. what i've seen is that harbaugh simply just wears people out and i've got to think that also likely includes those over him just as much as it would those under him.

for some coaches, their message can get old. for some, like harbaugh, i think it's just too demanding long term.

i said in discussions about him last year that if i were on the board of directors at some struggling organization that he would be the type guy who i would hire to turn them around and i still believe that. what i think we're finding out is that it might not be sustainable...but then i have yet to see a season of him coaching in the NFL where his team hasn't gotten to the NFC CG, so while he may be a crazy prick of a human, he's brought about success. if he weren't the coach of the 49ers, i think they might still be good, but i don't think they would be achieving as much as they have.

The comparison that comes to mind for me is the early version of Tom Coughlin.

[Double Trouble]

He'll somehow make the Browns good too. He's such a good coach (even though he is crazy).

[hepcat]

I would have then and still would now take the Harbaugh-Luck combo that could have come to Carolina in 2011 over the Rivera-Cam combo.  Harbaugh is a tool but he's a hell of a coach.  And Luck, well, he's the only QB in the NFL I'd want over Cam.  #sorrynotsorry

[rayzor]

The comparison that comes to mind for me is the early version of Tom Coughlin.

 

true.

there are coaches who are players coaches without much success and there are coaches that players wouldnt want as their coach who are hugely successful.

 

you've got to think that applies to FOs, meaning there are coaches that FOs love to employee because they get along and some coaches that they hate because they are so demanding.

 

and then there are some that aren't liked by anyone which coughlin might be.

 

i do think that is a good comparison, though. hadn't thought of that.

[fieryprophet]

Where art thou fieryprophet

 

What, you expect me to bring up the fact that I said last year that Harbaugh wouldn't be the coach of the 49ers within three years, and pretty much everyone on the Huddle called me an idiot? Why would I remind anyone of that, when clearly I am a moron whose well-known and fervent disdain for Harbaugh was ludicrous in light of him being the next Belichick?

 

;)

[Rules&Regulations]

I would have then and still would now take the Harbaugh-Luck combo that could have come to Carolina in 2011 over the Rivera-Cam combo. Harbaugh is a tool but he's a hell of a coach. And Luck, well, he's the only QB in the NFL I'd want over Cam. #sorrynotsorry

GTFO.

[fieryprophet]

he was mine as well. i'm more than ok wiith rivera now that he turned the corner and started taking risks.

 

that said, i still think that if you want to turn an underachieving team around in a hurry, harbaugh is the one to do it. you can't deny his success, imo. i think a lot of it has to do with his ability to spread his attitude to others. his attitude is infectious, imo. i think he knows what people need to do to get the best out of them and can push people to achieve his vision of what excellence is and what it takes to be a winner. he accepts nothing less than winning and he pursues that goal like a pit bull after a fat rabbit.

 

the thing about his is that he probably pushes too much. i think it's just enough to turn people around, but then i don't think he lets up and while that mindset can impress you at first, it can also wear on you if it's unrelenting. what i've seen is that harbaugh simply just wears people out and i've got to think that also likely includes those over him just as much as it would those under him.

 

for some coaches, their message can get old. for some, like harbaugh, i think it's just too demanding long term.

 

i said in discussions about him last year that if i were on the board of directors at some struggling organization that he would be the type guy who i would hire to turn them around and i still believe that. what i think we're finding out is that it might not be sustainable...but then i have yet to see a season of him coaching in the NFL where his team hasn't gotten to the NFC CG, so while he may be a crazy prick of a human, he's brought about success. if he weren't the coach of the 49ers, i think they might still be good, but i don't think they would be achieving as much as they have.

 

I always said Harbaugh was overrated, and that his brazen and blustery personality hid a massive inferiority complex. He's a good coach, but he believes himself to be a great one without the schematic chops to back it up. When he took over the 49ers, they were a severely underacheiving team with talent to win that just needed a kick in the pants and some confidence restored. Jim absolutely delivered on that point with his preaching of a team-oriented gospel and bringing mere competence to bear on the squad. But Jim's character flaw has always been his ego, and his willingness to betray his own principles when it suited him. Once his players saw that Harbaugh wasn't practicing what he preached, they've become more and more fragmented, with even long-time players like Gore lashing out publicly. And I've never understood how Harbaugh got such a reputation for risk-taking; he's always run as simple of an offense as he could get away with.

[Mr. Scot]

true.

there are coaches who are players coaches without much success and there are coaches that players wouldnt want as their coach who are hugely successful.

you've got to think that applies to FOs, meaning there are coaches that FOs love to employee because they get along and some coaches that they hate because they are so demanding.

and then there are some that aren't liked by anyone which coughlin might be.

i do think that is a good comparison, though. hadn't thought of that.

Coughlin had some rules that were legendarily ridiculous in his days with the Jags and his early days with the Giants.

[Guest Dark Knight]

Where are all the people who were bashing Jerry Richardson over not hiring Jim & crying about what could've been if we weren't stuck with Rivera?

[Darknight]

I think a lot of people owe FieryProphet an apology lol. He called it. I still remember his thread.

[cbully]

they better  evaluate the qb rather than the coach!

[Keep Pounding]

If by some way out weird reason SF decides to part ways and release Harbaugh, I would love to have him as a ASST HC to coach up Cam and help run our offense.

[CarolinaCoolin]

What, you expect me to bring up the fact that I said last year that Harbaugh wouldn't be the coach of the 49ers within three years, and pretty much everyone on the Huddle called me an idiot? Why would I remind anyone of that, when clearly I am a moron whose well-known and fervent disdain for Harbaugh was ludicrous in light of him being the next Belichick?

;)

Not because of his football coaching ability. Because he is a dick and people don't like dealing with him.

Totally different

[KendrickPanther]

The 49ers were a laughing stock organization with most of the same players just 4 years ago. To me it's not a matter of which guy should go, it's time to suck it up, be professional, and win lots of football games. The 49ers imploding is good for us but I hate to see a good team undone by something as silly as ego.