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I wear the term "WR extremist" with (perhaps a perverse) pride ever since @tiger7_88 called me that, so it didn't escape me that you left out day 1, but just like with T-mac, all I can say is "BPA," brother. I kinda hope it's a legit pass rusher, but if not, then I will not be mad at a WR (or pass catching TE).

Love the analogy. Though I wouldn't marry someone for looks alone, if she looks good with sweats and a hairnet, she can get wifed up. That and she isn't bat ish crazy. Don't ever marry bat ish crazy. You'll have bat ish crazy kids too. Trust the old guy. Honestly Bryce is not in a position to make ultimatums. He just isn't. His case his unique and he knows it. So does his agent. We've seen QBs gamble on themselves before. Some have won. Some have lost. None have forced the team's hand if they have never put up numbers that demand it.

He is a short player. This extension candidate sentiment is maddening. They either haven't watched and/or analyzed stats, much less advanced stats, or they just don't care if the franchise continues to fail. I'll be generous and give Bryce one extra virtual win because of awful refereeing. 9-8 after three ******* seasons. What's his career W-L record? Even if we throw out his rookie year, what's his record? Hell, mediocrity is looking like something to aspire to after three damned seasons. Are these people daft? Is our FO that stupid as well? Good grief!

I will work on that now and post it.

Buddy, look at the litany of horrific draft mistakes that were made from that era. Assuming a "no-brainer" pick is made by us is pure insanity. There is a reason Fitterer is far and away the worst GM this franchise has ever had. I am confused about the bolded statement. What do you mean "find a top 6 draft pick for cheap" versus "paying too much for a 3rd rounder." These seem to be incongruent statements. I am very sure about Bryce because he has pretty conclusively proven what he is and what his limitations will always be. I don't think his mindset will ever change enough to fix that. We do have a couple of sub 4.5 WR's. Horn Jr. and.....lol....XL. This is why I don't get too hyperfocused on 40 times. Doesn't mean I don't want speedsters but if you look at the top 5 40 time guys at every combine you don't that often see them being top WR's.

Idzik looks like he has really smooth hands

Of course. He should have been given it sooner, for that matter. I agree that we need to mine Day 2/3 for the next couple of drafts to find an excellent, speedy WR. Not some RAS idiot, someone who can actually catch the ball and has route running tools that can be sharpened.

Fify

No way they pass on Jalen Carter at 9. That was a Star Lotulelei opportunity. Now every other pick is definitely subject to be screwed. As for those QB replacements, if we can find a top 6 draft pick that'll come in to replace BY for the cheap, that's different than paying too much for a 3rd rounder that's never done anything. If Bryce earns us a top 5 pick again, then we should definitely consider replacing him if our guy is available when we're on the clock. And still. I can't say for certain what Bryce will be. You're more confident than I am in terms of BY's final product. I think the team still doesn't have a strong receiving group. Though in a year or 2, this group could be really good. They're just young right now and make a lot of young player mistakes. A player like BY doesn't do well with that. He's been most productive with reliable guys that are where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there - even older guys like Thielen and Moore. Carolina really needs a guy like that, that runs a sub 4.5. Most NFL teams have at least one.

You are aware I am very bearish on the QB position as it stands now but I also think there are bones there for a good offense. I am sure you are also aware that I also think we have one of the worst OC's in the NFL, so that is a limiting factor too. If TMac continues to develop, the sky is the limit. He could be a Hopkins/Fitzgerald type of player for us. Coker has a much lower ceiling but let's say it peaks at(who I think is an excellent comp) Jacobi Meyers. A crafty, excellent route running possession WR that will be a dependable option on 3rd downs and be enough of a threat to allow your deep threats to run free. I do think we should continue to try to upgrade the WR corps. Tremayne and Horn Jr. could be something but having a true #2 or #3 guy could elevate us to a top 10 WR corps for a long time. This should be something we should be pursuing in the draft/free agency over the next couple of offseasons. Another reason I dislike Canales. His personnel management makes me miss Ron Rivera and his awful roster management.

Coker has earned his spot---truly earned it. I still believe that we need to add a more dynamic speedster with high upside to the mix. Then we can really soar, provided we get upgraded QB play...

Coker has certainly earned it. Good for him.

I don't think we don't call things aggressively, for a Canales offense, anyway. We don't have a QB who makes aggressive throws nor stresses defenses downfield. He is at a career low on 20+ attempts per game and his career 10-20 QB rating is abysmal. That will always be a limiting factor IF you are looking for a high flying, downfield offense. I am not even that concerned about it, I just want to see effective offense and we decidedly do not possess that. A large chunk of that is Bryce. I think the second biggest chunk is Canales. All the other components(XL included) are fairly minor in comparison to those two things. I am an advocate of attempting to improve at QB. I am not focused on finding "The QB." We failed at that with Bryce. So let's just get better. If that's a one year vet or a draftee or a cheap trade or some combination of any/all, we should do that. We have to get that QB better. Bryce will fail in 2026 and we need to have REALISTIC options to take over when that happens. That ain't Andy Dalton or Hendon Hooker or Jack Plummer or Mike White or....you get the picture. Be serious about hedging that Bryce bet and not just having to make do if he struggles or gets injured. My mind is definitely made up on Canales. It's year two and he hasn't improved much, nor do I think the bones of a good HC are there. Ron Rivera got to that point after two seasons and he was open about the changes he had to make and advice he got to make that leap in year 3. If we don't see the same after next year, how is he not just Brian Daboll?

Not really buying it because T-mac faces stiffer competition week in and week out.

Agree totally. We have fuged ourselves post Rivera on continuity. Continuity is a highly regard pillar of sustained success IMO. Lack of it, very detrimental to the same. But a short term QB change to hold the line while you find another guy is not doing that. This thing with Bryce, now, is moving into the territory of the ultimatum the long time girlfriends give. To me Bryce is the girl sitting around the house in sweats and going to bed with face cream and a hair net. The one you thought was hot and you move in together and it ain’t what you thought it would be. And now she wants that ring. It’s on you if you do it.

As has been stated before. There are people who have high standards for every other position but the most important one on the field.

Jarvis

You are making a lot of pretty big logical leaps to get where you are. What would you say about starting Jalen Coker, Brycen Tremayne and Jimmy Horn Jr. are you starting 3? And let's say Tremble as your primary receiving TE. Elite?

Ehhhh I feel its actually because Aho tends to defer more to Jarvis when they are on the same line.

His wealth isn't his issue and he has blown chunks of it just not effectively. He is a terrible manager which includes hiring and control. Good managers let their people do their thing until they need to step in, that's not Tepper. He is also partial to snake oil salesmen and loves him some yes men. He still hasn't shown the ability to work with someone with a giant and earned ego that wouldn't kiss the ring. Those guys have 'poor interviews'.

We have won despite Bryce and sure hate to say that but if you can't get the ball down the field any better than he can. He has had his moments but they are inconsistant.

Adam Thielen had 1000 yards with rookie Bryce. I guess he's using that as comparison. Just kidding. Calm down.

We definitely improved from 2024 to 2025, to me the results were less important than the roster in that regard. It's better. It's still a very bad roster but continuing to be better is the goal. The changes we are talking about at QB are about spending LESS resources. Not picking up Bryce's 5th is a big potential savings. Significantly better QB's have been had in recent years for half or less than what Bryce will get in 2026. To say nothing of an extension(the ridiculous subject of this thread) which would cripple roster building by saddling it with a bloated QB contract for an awful QB. The price for Bryce, I mean who is even making that argument anymore? I don't think you are seeing anyone in this thread discussing trading up to #1 for Mendoza. We are talking about cheap backup and FA QB's and Day 2 and 3 draft guys. That is literally tied to the idea of roster building. IMPROVE at QB while you build the roster so that we can actually potentially attract a franchise QB or when you make that big move up(SF for Lance) that your roster is so good that the impact is largely negated. After all, improving over Bryce is an extremely low bar to hit. Let's not assume that standing pat would have resulted in a sudden spurge in good decision making. Don't forget who was making all those roster calls at the time. Bryce or not, we would have fuged it up in some way because we had idiots at the helm. We may still yet. Also, it's easy to say we can't get in the habit of switching QB's like that but there are also plenty of situations where that flip was the correct decision. Richardson to Jones, Rosen to Murray, Fields to Williams, Lance to Purdy(technically some nuance to this), etc. There is no real danger of Bryce leaving and suddenly becoming an elite QB. We all do know this, no matter how big of a Bryce stan you may be. His ceiling is middling game manager. So there isn't some crazy risk of moving on.

Honestly. You can see it on the field. Bryce will literally skip a pass on the ground rather than throw a contested catch to XL. Especially when it's one where XL would have to fight back to the ball. Coker is actually really good at that. Coker lacks real NFL speed (not a small thing), but he maxes out in most other categories.