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I didn't say anything about "winning free agency." I said that we haven't been neglecting the defense, and we haven't been. Sure, we've acquired what looks like some solid if not good players in Lloyd, Phillips, Jackson, Moehrig, and even Robinson. Nick Scott was not exactly dog crap. Moreover, it shouldn't be easy mental gymnastics to conveniently skip over adding Scourton, Umanmielen, Wallace, Ransom, Smith-Wade, Cam Jackson and a good UDFA in Corey Thornton. Every one of these guys is developing. Hopefully two to four of them will be starters, but the others should provide decent depth and rotational pieces if nothing else. So to.me, it sounds ridiculous to say we've neglected or are neglecting the defense simply because we haven't drafted a player in the first round. You may not like it, but offensive positions that we've needed have been their BPA in the first, but that's the way the cards fell, but plenty of resources have been put into the defense.

This thread has now morphed into the thread in the Panthers forum where we were rooting for the Falcons in the last weekend. Charlotte sports teams gon' Charlotte sports teams.

spotted at walmart. not my own.

I think at that point a lot of us will just tune out, im not going to keep watching if they pay shorty a boatload of money to hold the team back.

Obviously the new FO has only been in charge for a couple years but they have not broken from past trends.

Rookie Bryce: Mingo, Thielen, DJ Chark as his WRs ...we won 2 games. 2nd Year Bryce: XL is drafted and becomes Bryce's #1 target in 24...we won 5 games (kinda suprising tho) 3rd Year Bryce: Tmac is drafted and becomes Bryce's #1 with Coker in the mix in '25.. we managed to win the division and make the playoffs. ..8 wins 4th Year Bryce: TBD ..... but we do need another reliable option at the position. Maybe not at 19 (unless its Cooper or Lemon) but somewhere within the top 100. We are one injury away from reverting back to 23-24 status or worse. And if we dont happen to get substantial gains after this draft atleast we'll have the offense in a great spot to drop in our future QB. Tmac, Coker, Leggette, Horn Jr, Metchie. I'd be willing to rock with the above but they could def stand an upgrade. An argument could be made at TE too.

You're also underestimating Calipari in those scenarios. Calipari can say to a kid "I've put more impactful players into the NBA than any school over the last 20 years". Michael Malone can tout that he was run out of the NBA for not understanding impactful players. I wouldn't count any chickens yet on top recruiting classes and deep tournament runs. On a side note, can't remember where, but saw some interview where the guy was saying the NBA All Star Game should be the USA vs World vs Kentucky - and then proceeded to list the players in the league from Kentucky who would legit give an All Star team a run for their money. Pretty impressive what Cal did at Kentucky, not impressive on him not getting more nattys.

Speculation only. If we take a WR at 19 I will be shocked. Deep position we can get one later. I still see that pick being defense.

yea hes not going to be traded...coming off a down year, his panther value is not what his league value would be. Im not sure we could trade him even if we wanted to, not for anything worthwhile anyway.

It seems to me Canales just ain’t that smart, on the imaginative side of the brain. He wouldn’t be able to study McVay’s offense, for instance, and reverse engineer it. Of course, LA has a QB that once threw the ball almost 80 yards and Canales doesn’t and has to work around that. He needs a lot of help around him to be effective, I think he is smart enough to know how it though. That is why Bevell. I am real curious to see if they actually redesigned the offense, overhauled the playbook, etc. All I can picture though is a Seattle Russell Wilson chunk it as high and far as you can and hope, and a big running game. But I am not that imaginative either, and definitely struggle to visualize how much they can really do when they probably have to avoid certain areas of the field in the passing game.

yall talking about everything else other than the report, I don’t think this report means we’re locked in to drafting an offensive player at 19. Every single report last year had us taking a defender till we didn’t. The last thing a team is going to do is tell the whole world their game plan two weeks before the draft

hope has came my fend ...

Both things can be, and are true. He may be no offensive genius but he is an offensive minded coach.

Screw it put BOTH of them as running back in the I formation ...... If I was on defense, "Timeout TIMEOUT TIMEOUT!!, my hamstring suddenly got tight coach, no idea why...."

They should be looking at winning now, in their position. Scrimping on OL depth is not a recipe for that though. We are scrimping now, with a couple of shaky cornerstones that should not be taken for granted. If we can’t run the ball what do people think happens with Jr back there and his tippytoes and his can’t see the field and bails the pocket as easy as breathing? If Moton misses time, we will be so fuged. Right now, if Hunt or Lewis go down we have Zavala? C is kind of iffy. I can’t fathom people thinking a guy that will get a few targets a game is more valuable than having the OL overbuilt and prepared for attrition. But y’all go on with your Madden/7 on 7 thinking.

minus the 2024 draft....which could still get away better Dan has done about as good as a rookie GM could. He didn't have 1st overall pick or a future 2nd cause of the BY trade, that's a killer in building a team devoid of talent. He got the future 2nd back in a trade. Most of his FA big tickets have help, I know lloyd will without seeing him. He stole Michael Jackson and got draft picks for 79 year old Adam and Dalton. He's "fixed" the OL and DL with some depth, no other former GM had done that. Id say the team has gained talent form the time he took over, I know its a low line and all. Still that's the whole goal, add talent that helps make a winner. 2-5-8. Give him another full draft and full season and see how it goes. I feel like the team with solid QB play could give about any non-top 5 team all they want. Panthers did that twice with the rams and the MVP. That's was with guru Mccvay and them knowing evero....

lol. What do you think that DB is thinking….

Its been now 3 years of him being an OC and all 3 years his offenses have stunk ass and you can argue they are getting worse

How isn’t he? For realz? You can’t call him defensive minded. Total roots in offense. And he was pretty much completely hands off the defense at least year one. He isn’t being accused of being an innovator, or anything close. He is a copycat I think.

Oooo philly without Embiid??

If only Cam had this commitment from a FO.

Yea there's a couple spots were "depth" is just a waste. 3 decent TEs with some hope, using a 4-7 rounder would have a tough time beating out Frank or "the mayor" for a job. There's room for a starter, not more of the same player. That's my take, besides I like either frank or the mayor for the 4th role. Just need one of those "develop" type UDFA on the PS..

If we just took Ladd instead of XL this wouldn't even be thought about. You can blame Bryce all you want but XL is the reason we looking at more weapons

I thought it was funny that Luke was like " Dont draft this guy ".... Luke is like peppers, he's a different thinker....my god if they got the right coaching or people around them before the NFL......all records would fall......maybe its a great thing neither "found" the drive or anger to be one of the chosen record setters. Its hard to picture Luke what he was, he's like a camp church helper that facilitates cabin life to the youth for his remaining life.

You do realize how ridiculous this sounds right? Historically winning free agency for the most part hasn't translated to Super Bowls for the overwhelming majority of teams. Building through the draft is the path.