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Sam Darnold was the 2018 QB. Not Mayfield, Allen, or Jackson. Firing Rhule was the key. Wilks, Darnold, CMC, Rico, TMac, Moore, and Coker would have gotten the job done. Toss in all the extra picks wasted on day one and day 2 project players, and the Panthers have a top defense too.

That’s if you draft the wrong quarterback. Patriots aren’t having to do that. They are straight in year two. I suppose you could argue that they did draft the wrong one and then built like you said. The difference is, if that were the case, they moved on from their mistake. That’s what I am thinking about that.

Yeah. That start to his career was about as bad as it can get. In New York, Meat grinder press corps, of the first degree, When he came here he was on OC 3 - in year 3. And people in this fan base that think they are smart, could not take that stuff into account. Now, most of the smart ones are not Bryce Stans but Bryce gets 4 damned years free pass. At least 3 The fail of the organization AND fan base in general, fuging shamefully short sighted, And the choking thing, players have to fail before they succeed. With very few exceptions. Last year was really his first meaningful, high stakes game. Okay, he didn’t play well. They learn from that, or are supposed to. You don’t throw out a guy with all those tools and with his rocky did him no favors background for not being perfect right away. He might suck in the SB, but he proved a ton this year. If we’d have had any patience he was the guy to use it on, not Bryce Young.

Darnolds OC when he was drafted was Jeremy Bates who was fired. He hasn’t had an nfl job since then. his next head coach was Adam gates who was fired after two years and isn’t in the league anymore. then he gets traded to the Matt Rhule panthers. His first OC was a hired WAY too early Joe Brady who was fired midseason and basically had to restart his career as a get back coach in Buffalo. then it was Jeff Nixon, who’s currently the head coach for Syracuse. the next season was the best he’d ever looked, and it was the first time he had an actual nfl offensive coordinator calling plays for him. The less said about Matt Rhule the better. then he sits a year and ends up in Minnesota and the rest is history. maybe he just had poo awful coaches for the start of his career. Maybe we should be trying to find someone who flamed out on the jets. one who’s a religious weirdo and likes to bang married women that’s right baby, Zach Wilson redemption tour starts now

Your last paragraph, painful. We suffered it all with Rhule and Fitterer and were rewarded with Bryce. I’ll stop there, I have made hundreds of posts that say what I would say if I continued.

You underestimate the stupidity of our owner. Bryce shouldn't have got the 5th year but he did. He hasn't had back to back franchise QB level game performances ever. Our franchise is being built on hope and a determined owner who will not admit he made the wrong choice.

Giving is the correct term since god knows he hasn’t earned it.

Kudos to Sam He also has dignity and class and never trashed this poo ass organization when he easily could have. He deserves a ring and the Lombardi.

True but being they are picking up the 5th year... they're giving him 1 last shot

We will see. He probably gonna have to sign another prove it but maybe somebody swomgs for him to start

Bryces third year to put up or shut up

By the time you draft a QB and design and drafting the players to build around him, especially with the trade up we did, the rookie QB contract window is almost over. It's better to build the system and find the QB to drop into it before the 50-60m per season bomb drops or just draft from your position without bankrupting your future.

I'm just so glad I stand on the right side of history on this trade.

Idk that bucs game there when it mattered was pretty damn big. Then the dumbasses round here changed it to no 4th quarter game winning drives as the metric to kick Sam to the curb following the game. Welp those folks got karma as a bitch named Bryce and now say the silly stat isn't so important. I find it amusing the most contrived metric in 2022 to blast Sam after the bucs game with brady throwing to prime Mike Evans is now suddenly useless when Bryce is a god at that stat. It is dumb now and was dumb then. Glad Sam has a legit team to actually hold a damn lead. Rhule and Fitt screwed up in 2022 and set us miles back, not Sam nor Baker. Now Fitt is one of the worst to ever do it, and screwed us so bad. To start 2022 we kept Rhule, then scape goat via Joe Brady, to pennies for CMC, to not accepting the Burns over pay, to overpay for Bryce. He wrecked us in 12 damn months, much less only 1 top notch players in 3 drafts in the top 10. Incompetent.

Agreed.

Kept Darnold and draft JSN. It's not like there weren't possibilities if we had been mildly intelligent.

The problem was .....we also had Matt Rhule at the time

I liked Sam with us, but let's be real - dude has needed a great oline, elite receivers, and very good OCs to look good. He wasn't getting that with us while we had him

I was thinking the same thing - winner of the rams Seahawks game is going to obliterate the Patriots. Give credit to the Pats defense, but it has faced 2 teams that had no oline and a broncos team playing a backup QB

Puka broke up that pick same as he did today on a near pick. I give players credit for making plays. Stafford has a SB win and is a perennial playoff QB while we have 8 losing seasons in a row. I'm no Rams fan but we'd be damn lucky to have gotten him instead of LA.

Agreed. Y4 is make Or break for him. No way we give a long term contract for $30M much less $50M a year without seeing more.

Too expensive to bring in

Btw, Morgan says he wants the Qb that's added to be able to move around. Makes me wonder bc vet wise, Malik Willis is the 1st one who pops in my mind. Random...

If the Patriots win, it's going to be a very ugly game. If Patriots give up more than 10, they're going to lose. This one is feeling like Denver v. Seattle from 2014. Seattle jumps up big, pressure lessens and its just a 60 minute ass kicking. 43 to 6, over by Q2.

We've had a lot of players and have never won the Super Bowl. Im not sure what your point is