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The only way Kamara would win over Chuba and Rico would be based on name recognition and how he played several years ago. Which to be honest feels like what you're doing here.

I cannot believe I just saw someone say the Saints have a better supporting cast around their QB. Bye week brain rot is real.

So if a QB get benched his stats for that game disappear? Season totals are typically the stats that are highlighted. What you are saying it all true though. It's why looking at stats without context is pointless. If you are just looking at stats this year Bryce Young mimics Bo Nix. Bryce barely edges him out in YPA and completion but Bo has one more passing TD and the same INTs. They are two very different QBs though but statistically they are very similar. Nix's team is the current 1 seed and we are trying to sneak in.

the Bryce stans basically have been ripping off the Skip/The Golden Calf of Bristol argument. It doesn't matter if he is below average 98% of his snaps. That 2%!!!

Goddamn you actually took time to right all that out. If you think their line and rbs are better than ours you are clearly losing it

But the opposite is also true. A QB comes in up by 3 scores and hands off the rest of the game and throws 2 passes, it throws off the stats. Using a complete game is a more accurate reflection is all. Same as if a QB got knocked out on the 2nd series. That game shouldn't count as a complete game for stats purposes.

Correct and the defense is probably in prevent. These were referred to as "garbage time" stats when Bryce does them. It should help the QB in theory.

I just click ESPN, NFL, Stats and it goes straight to season totals. If you want to dismiss certain games to help one player vs another you go right ahead. You only think one side is way worse because you are on the other side. They both are annoying I assure you.

But I was assured it was "Bryce stans" who were causing all the ruckus I'm starting to think some of our guys would look at a boxing match that ended in a knockout but argue the loser was really the better boxer because "the stats show he landed more punches"

If a backup QB comes into a game down by 3 scores, they're passing. It's probably going to be 4:1 pass to run. The stats are going to be skewed. It's not going to be an accurate reflection of an entire game plan from start to finish. Pretty simple stuff.

if you are talking game production as the discussion, you basically are forced to remove them to even get in the realm of honest discussion. Shough has a 2 pass 4th quarter game and a late 3rd quarter entrance game. That will wildly distort the numbers if you are wanting to talk about what he has done in games. and the generally narrative we talk about most QBs is their starts. Because is what a QB is. The Bryce gymnastics and gaslighting and way worse than the "hate" around here.

Well I'm watching every game this season so it's the same football, same time frame. I see things differently than you do. I can't tell what your actual opinion is because lately it's been coming from Joe Person and others. For someone who doesnt believe in stats you sure as poo seem to be hung up on them. And let's not forget, Jake was a practice squad QB, not the number 1 overall draft pick. They aren't even comparable in expectations of past performance or expected level of QB play. I didn't even mention stats for the 1st 2 years with Bryce. That would be you. What he looked like from the 1st 2 years was that same QB with the same god awful mechanics making throws squared up to the line, not driving his passes, bailing out of the pocket too early, sloppy footwork on drop backs, hopping to get his pass over the line because he's not tall enough to actually throw over a defensive player. When things aren't perfect, he looks like that same awful rookie player. That's why I said you can't ignore past performance. You go back and look to see if he's still doing those things or if he's developing.

It's every freaking topic and they start skewing and moving goalposts. Bryce has been more bad than good. It's easy to be critical of him and rightfully so. There is not need to make it every topic and exaggerate it. After Arizona it was "oh he couldn't play good on that final drive when the defense wasn't it prevent" many GWDs later it evolved to "GWDs is a dumb stat" Then it was he needs his RBs to run over 200 yards to win. Then he cooks the Falcons breaking our franchise record for passing yards in a game (running game doesn't get 100). "It's an outlier. His teammates helped him with YAC" He can't be good teams, beats GB "it was just our running game" beats LAR "only deep passes were on 4th down, take away his 3 deep shots and he didn't play that great" (that one is my favorite excuse). -He played bad against SF, I get it. He played really good football on the two games around it though. I just want to see some consistency.

Okay, that's below the belt

If I'd just looked at the comparison I put up, I probably wouldn't want to focus outside the running backs either (though even that argument is fatally flawed since you don't want to acknowledge that Dowdle is banged up) Unfortunately, the league doesn't allow us to play seven on seven. So yeah, those other position comparisons do actually matter.

Bussi 9-1 as a starter the math math's ride the BUS

Why are you not just using year totals? You are hung up on starts like coming in during a blowout when teams are in prevent in some sort of disadvantage to a QB or something. That's free yards normally. It's because without those he creeps above Bryce as you shrink the sample size or some people might see that as cherry picking (while you are blaming someone else for doing the same). On the year Bryce has a better rating and QBR. ESPN just uses totals on the seasons in their QB stats. Shough is also 2 years older than Bryce despite being a rookie. This anti-Bryce obsession is starting to creep up on rippadon levels with some of you. I get he has had a rough start but I also understand we are stuck with him the rest of the year and more than likely next year. Hopefully he can figure out how to play at a high level more consistently.

Evans isnt going to be close to 100% hes just gonna be taking snaps from their younger healthy guys..... Godwin has already been doing that.... this is a case of subtraction by addition IMO.... not to mention baker cant throw more than 20 yards right now without doubling over in pain from his off shoulder.

Different? No. More recent, and thus more relevant? Yes. Yeah...that doesn't actually make any sense If you'd have gone by Jake Delhomme's career stats and percentagea in 2003, it's likely you wouldn't even have signed him, much less started him. And you sure as hell couldn't have predicted how that season was going to turn out. You don't pass on a guy who's playing well at this moment because he was bad two years ago. No more than you throw big free agent money at a guy on the downside of his career because he used to be good. (heaven knows we've made that mistake before) The only thing that has any meaning at all is how good they are right now. Bad prior seasons have no bearing whatsoever.

I don't see the need to move on from RBs.... I didn't say he was a bum. I said most knowledgeable people are flat out taking the DUO of RBs that have generated a top 10 rush team over the season.....over Kamara in his worst season of his career (leading a league worst attack).....if asked which team is giving their QB better skill players in the backfield this season. It's amazing what Bryce defense will do. Got you in here essentially making wilds claim about run games/RB talent in 2025. Pooping on a top 10 rush attack that is the foundation of this team to prop up a league worst rush attack.

I'm not relying on rushing yards per game. Which is why I presented you with a host of different offensive production and efficiency stats. You said there was only one. I shared several. You just cherry picked one of the many shared out. and you are still intentionally distorting the most basic facts like wins/losses lol. the only gassing up being done here is about Bryce. Most of the thread is talking about Shough(our next opponent) in very normal terms.

Kamara is certainly later in his career but he's not exactly chopped liver. Again, outside this fanbase i doubt he'd lose that contest. As far as other comparisons: I'd put Tet McMillan equal with Chris Olave, though I think McMillan might be hitting a bit of a rookie wall. Others may say McMillan is promising but not to that level just yet. Damian Lewis is equal to or better than Dillon Radunz and Ickey is better than Kelvin Banks, though Banks even as a rookie ain't bad. The left side of our OL wins, but not in a blowout. On the other side, if he were fully healthy I could argue Taylor Moton over Taliese Fuaga but I don't think he is. The Saints likely take that one for now at least, and probably in the future since Fuaga is younger. Jalen Coker is getting back to form. Putting him over Dante Perris right now is probably a bit of a stretch but he's still doing well. So this far, fairly comparable / even. But here's where it starts to get bad... Whoever's starting at center this week vs Luke Fortner? Eeehhh, no. Right guard of the week against Cesar Ruiz? Uh uh. Any of our TEs vs Juwan Johnson? Don't think so. Xavier Legette over anybody at all? Oy So yeah, overall at this point Shough has a better supporting cast around him. Once Hunt and others are healthy again it becomes a better argument, but as mentioned the league isn't willing to postpone things so we can be at our best.

I would be very surprised if this wasn't it for Evans. They do have about $13 mil in void money that will hit their cap next year so they could work something out on a short term deal to lessen that. It will be interesting to see what he decides to do. I will certainly be glad to not see him anymore.

That's why I pointed it out because Bryce hasn't either, so it's not like that could be used an excuse for the poor winning percentage. And yes, right now, Kyler is the better QB. I would show it to you in the same "statistical" way that I did for Car123 but you have basically admitted that Kyler will obviously be statistically better(which is very true) and somehow that isn't relevant. Regardless, whether eye or statistical, you have made literally no reasonable counter argument other than "there is another guy in this forum that said he saw Arizona games and he said Kyler wasn't as good" and that "he got benched." That's really been the bulk of your argument so far. As for a "clutch performer", leader and whatever in the world a "smooth operator" is.....I guess that's the PFF version of your rankings.

The fact you're having to rely on "rushing yards per game" (he is averaging 18, Bryce is averaging 10) here is really telling lmao. I already gave the clear advanced differences. Shough is playing worse than Bryce. You are literally gassing up a worse, 2-4 QB for a rival team and I find that incredibly funny.