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It wasn't quite butt fumble/Younghoe sticking his toe in the turf level blooper reel but damn... it was pretty bad. LOL

Madden finally recognizes. Guess who's the top ranked DT? https://www.ea.com/games/madden-nfl/ratings?position=DT

I didn't specifically mean you. I was just talking about the Panthers' brass and pro-Bryce fans in general.

Trevor was doomed early by Urban. I have a good friend who's a Jags fan and obviously I followed him at Clemson. He was really starting to put it together before the shoulder injury. Whenever I watch him now he's so obviously damaged goods. Jags fans all know the specific hit too, just like we know the two plays that killed Cam's arm. Trevor's throwing motion has a weird hitch in it that wasn't there at Clemson. He looks like he's aiming the ball instead of throwing it. Shough looks very legit, arguments about supporting cast not withstanding. He fell in the draft because of his age and that's something that's going to have to necessarily change over the next few years as college QBs get older in general. Also Kellen Moore is a very good coach and he's guiding them through this cap hell period pretty well and has them playing hard every single week which is more than Canales can say. Also Staley is a stud DC and I can't imagine anyone is going to try to poach him after what happened in LA. Saints defense is quietly one of the best in the league.

The trade off for him is likely gonna be a shorter career though. Being a 26 year old rookie in the NFL is something of an uphill climb.

Definitely up there...

Sadly, I wasn't watching when the pick / fumble combo play happened, but damn do I wish I was Also given that Lady Cowboy Fan despises the Eagles, I'm sure she would have loved it too.

Me? Where would you get the idea I'm "clinging to hope" or disagreeing that the trade up to take Bryce was a huge mistake? It was a massive mistake. It set us back years as a franchise. If it were up to me, I'd prefer to put it in the rear view mirror and move on... ...but I don't realistically see that happening.

It's based primarily off of cope. He plays just well enough jest often enough for them to cling to hope because swallowing that bitter pill of admitting that trade up was a huge blunder is gonna be a tough one. But not nearly as tough as the one we'd have to eventually choke down if we extended him to a franchise QB contract. From the fan perspective I think it's a mix of not wanting to be wrong and the fact that Bryce seems like a legitimately decent guy that you wanna root for.

Cardinals probably also...

https://x.com/i/status/1998041990642978934 I cant stress how easily narratives can be created for anybody to sway public opinion and professional careers just based how you rub off on people. If someone doesnt like you purposely they can make it harder for you depending on their status especially in sports and entertainment that easy. The day we get passed this as a society the better off we will be.

For others? Don't know. I can't speak for them. As far as our experts picking Bryce, come on, dude. You know how that went down just as well as I do. You should also know that a good number of the people who were part of that decision (GM, Director of College Scouting, others) are no longer employed here. And the one guy who pretty much everyone believes disagreed with the decision was given his waking papers even before they were. I could make an argument that level of success sometimes masks deficiencies in play (i.e. Alabama quarterbacks) but even that argument is kind of pointless because we all know how Bryce got here.

Wait why are we judging rookie Bryce vs them and not current Bryce I don’t understand fr. Rookie Bryce is indeed up there with the great Jim Clausen but tbf was also on the worst offense ever

Hehehehe you will never know

Not going to say that someone is happy about this, but...

He will if he's smart... or if his agent is smart. Not about to try and predict that outcome

Yeah...No. When John Elway did it, it was entitled behavior. When Eli Manning did it, it was entitled behavior. Those two guys were significantly better quarterbacks than Sanders, and thus way better positioned to act like brats than Sanders was, but that doesn't excuse their actions. My guess would be either Sanders, or more likely...his dad, thought he was on their level. The NFL disagreed. The guy he ultimately ends up bearing a closer resemblance to is Pat White from WVU. White didn't refuse to be drafted by any particular team, but he let it be known in team interviews that he would not play a Kordell Stewart "slash" type role (back when that was popular). That dropped him on a lot of draft boards, and he wound up being nothing special at the pro level. I've long believed his attitude was part of that. His athletic skills were phenomenal and he was great at the college level, but hIs NFL career is basically a footnote. Sanders Will likely be more memorable than White was, but probably more so for highlight reels than actual success.

We have a certain defensive lineman who could wreck a backup even if it's not about sacks.

You weren’t here for Clausen, were you?

I do think it’s the best. fug Reddit and Twitter. We all at least know our handles an online personality’s. And for the most part like eachother like the stump said.

His attitude issues are well documented. I was a big fan of the situation when he and dad went to Colorado. It was the way the treated people that turned me off from them. Maybe he's been humbled. Maybe he will be good. He's not coming here so I dont know why it's such an ongoing topic.

Because this is a place for dinosaurs to hang out. Enjoy it while its here.

Telling a top tier team that wants to draft you in the first round that You don't want to play for them because you don't want to be a backup to their established star quarterback doesn't strike you as dive behavior?

Yep. Football can be a crazy game. If you're on an NFL roster you have the ability to play well if the stars align, especially if your opponent is overlooking you. That third stringer was probably all state in HS and all conference in college. You would've had that game circled on the calendar to face him back in those days and ain't nothing changed now. He's still him.

Rams were theoretically licking their chops at our depleted defense last week.....and turned the ball over 3 times. I mean, it still a good thing. Sometimes it takes a week or so for the weak links to really show what makes them so weak. And sometimes, Derrick Brown is just there and any downgrade is hopefully a problem