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This is us in two years. I wouldn't be making fun of the 49ers. Purdy got that deal as Mr. Irrelevant. We had the #1 overall pick. Talk about a team crippling contract. They still still have a window if their key players can stay healthy. We haven't even reached a window yet, let alone it being open.

He is a poor man's Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yes he can get hot for stretches but more playing time reveals he is a backup QB only.

And we went 5-12 last year while being nowhere near the playoffs You think going 8-9 while being in the playoff hunt until Week 17 or 18 and ending up just missing out wouldn't be considered growth this year? You're acting like I'm saying we should be playing for the #1 pick and try to lose every game for it. It's not even like I'm saying I want us going into Week 18 needing a win to make the playoffs and a loss keeps us out and thus I'm rooting against us that game. I'm solely saying that I think making the playoffs only to lose in the first round would in the end, be less beneficial for us than if we were to just miss the playoffs, pick 5-7 spots earlier in the draft, and get the easier schedule that goes along with it.

When Tepper promised us that the days of mediocrity were over I don't think this is what any of us had in mind. Now we long for those days of "mediocrity". LOL In reality, we were rarely mediocre. We just ran very hot or cold. We were balling or we were sucking and not much in between.

It's even funnier that those were the good old days...

McMillan only did the 40 at his pro day no 3 cone. I also look at 3 cone times for WR’s as well

Would be interested in hearing your (or anyone else's) take on the match ups vs each potential opponent. I'm out of market, I watch the Canes when they are on national TV, but I couldn't tell you anything about any other team in the league other than what Sportscenter shows.

If Tetairoa did a nicknaming competition like Jeremy Chinn did, I would have nicknamed him "Royal T." It combines the purple he wore for the draft, which he said represented royalty, and the first letter of his name.

Some Cam stans get pissed about how much we're investing in offensive pieces to put around Bryce and I don't get it. Yeah, we horribly neglected doing that for Cam. But why repeat that same mistake again? Ultimately, if Bryce doesn't work out then hopefully we will have created a great situation for the next guy to step into.

I think our style of play matches up better with Toronto. But I still believe if we play Florida. We have the bodies to match up this year.

I’m with ya. Home ice is enticing though.

I don't know man. Carolina hasn't had a great resume with QBs lately either. And before someone mentions Cam. He should have been so much better than he was here. 2015 should have been the norm. Protect him. That's it. Throw any old bums out there at WR. Just keep guys from teeing off on him within 2 seconds of snapping the ball.

At the end of the day, that's what it boils down to. Win on the field and none of it will matter. Don't win and they're gonna be dunking on you like an old school NBA dunk contest when the MJs and Dominiques of the league actually participated. LOL

It's definitely the worst of the two options but WAY better than backing up the Brinks truck for mediocre.

Let us pray.

‘You play to win the game’ This isn’t Madden and I can assure life has zero guarantees Frankly, who knows what the world will be next month much less in 2027 or if any of us will still be here. …as George Allen said ‘the future is now’. …long range salary cap planning, yes. Long range draft scouting, yes. Everything else is right now As far as Young, time to produce over 17 games…current management owea him nothing

David Tepper was right when he bought the team. If you want to compete year in and year out, you need a HC, a GM, and a QB. Everything else is a want. Every organization and roster is going to have some weak spots. You just can't have weak spots in those three roles. A mediocre QB can get carried by a great team and a great coach but the burden becomes a helluva lot heavier when that mediocre QB is eating up a huge chunk of your cap space limiting your ability to put that great team around him. You're pretty much forced to have to knock it out of the park in the draft to keep replenishing the talent. You just afford to miss.

I’m not missing anything. I agree completely. I’ve given examples where 1 extra win cost us Herbert over Brown and 3 1sts from SF over Horn. Those meaningless wins didn’t improve our culture but they sure impacted our talent. Winning culture comes from actually winning and good coaching. Having the best players actually on our team helps.

It really doesn’t. Go look at the Lions draft history from 2021-2023. They turned around their team from joke to SB contender by picking 6 pro bowl players in 3 drafts. Look at the 2020-2023 Houston drafts. Started with 2 pro bowlers in 2020/2021 as a base and then added Stingley, Stroud and Will Anderson in the last two drafts along with a bunch more starters and depth. Houston had a terrible massage parlor culture and a couple greats drafts getting 5 stud players turned them into a winning culture. This slow burn win a little more and more works far less than just drafting well and in the cases above tanking a bit (trade Tunsil, Watson, Stafford, etc. and not after losing value) actually helped. There aren’t many, if any cases of bad teams trading up and being great. KC doesn’t count as Alex Smith had them in the playoffs every year.

You're missing what I'm saying. Every year where we tank our draft position winning a couple of meaningless games we always have quite a few people pounding their chests talking about how this is how you build a winning culture. Doesn't seem to be working. I think you build a winning culture by assembling the right coaching staff and roster pieces to win on the field.

There has to be growth every year, or a team is back tracking. Talking about what you are is definitely a lover mentality. As long as the team does their homework, there is always talent to be had in the draft, if they draft well, not dependent on draft position.

There in lies the rub. We don’t have a winning culture yet because we haven’t had a winning season since 2017 (8 years away now) and it’s weird how that’s not understood. I hate to say it, but Fitterer fuged U.S. hard by trying to win with a no talent team and trading away the house. Last year’s team, QB and HC all showed promise. The problem is that talent wise we are still miles from the top teams. Before people interject with the we played KC and Philly tough, the Matt Rhule and Bridgewater led meh team of 2020 lost to both 1 seed teams by the same one score margin and we had chances to win both of those games. That’s the NFL, bad teams often surprise the top teams. The KC team Rhule almost beat was far better than the 2024 Chiefs. Anyway, I’m legitimately worried that we are absolutely going to get stuck in that 7-10 to 10-7 range where we can win our crap division but we don’t have the talent to do anything else and we can easily have an bad injury year and our depth gets us an under .500 finish. Someone mentioned Detroit and until we have some of their drafts, like Gibbs, LaPorta, Branch and Campbell in 2023, we are going to be middle of the road for a while. Let’s hope the 2025 draft class is it.

The old Marty Hurney trick that never works. If we pay him like he's elite then he'll be elite!

It's hard not to notice that most of the fans pushing pro-tank or anti-culture takes also happen to be down on Bryce. Feels more connected than coincidence.

In Bilbao in Spain for game 1 so that will be a late night! Nice Memorial Day game as well. Think I prefer to play Toronto after being swept by Florida….but we are a different team this year