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Watched the recent Mic'd up which had the Bucs game. This angle makes that fumble look so much worse, pretty sure it was inbetween Bryce's hands. bbb.mp4

Here is what you did not mention (and I have not read the thread--but will--it is a needed) and that is the MAFF. He is in a contract year (2026-5th year) and we will not know (in all likelihood) how the knee is healing by the time we have to decide on a mega deal. If you consider the time it takes to fully heal is 12 months if all goes well, the injury is known to shorten careers. Of course, a man of 330 lbs who needs agility to perform at a high level makes the injury a bit more serious than it was for Jimmy Graham, for example, who recovered in a remarkable 9 months. Having said all that, I think he should be moved inside to guard. While many NFL linemen can return to play after patellar tendon surgery, studies show a significant failure rate and reduced performance, with return-to-play (RTP) rates often cited around 50-56%, meaning roughly 44-50% don't make it back, and even those who do often see reduced careers and statistics, highlighting it as a devastating injury for linemen." I think you have to go after an elite OT, and I think it should be a first rounder because you don't sign elite LTs in free agency. Ickey is already going to get paid $18m or so in 2026. However, the money you save by not locking him down long term could go to a free agent edge or ILB. It is very complicated if you start factoring in contracts, risks, cap, and the odds of recovery.

Yes, we played the 2nd most cover 3 in the NFL behind the Raiders. The flats and seams are the areas you want to attack it so its soft spots are areas qbs can hit quickly which can definitely hurt the pass rush.

Evero criticism goes without saying but Princely was outspokenly confident before the season and I was all for it but he did not back that up at all. He needs to focus his energy on that.

But we have the Eraser…. And Svech always plays well vs the wings.

Princely is the last person that should be talking.

Yuck. I still kind of like Herbert but these playoff performances are rough....

I feel like this was the case with River and McDermott defenses as well, we just had the jimmies and the joes to overcome these deficiencies with all pro players at edge and linebacker positions. Even then, was extremely frustrated in 2015 when we'd let team come back from 20+ pt deficits playing prevent only to barely win at the end.

We need to move on soon and just use Bryce as a bridge to find our next guy. I'd like to see how this offense works with Canales hand picking his own guy. Bryce holds this offense back a lot considering you draft the first pick to carry your team and be your best player. We invested heavily for Bryce and need everything to go right just to have him look like a solid game manager sometimes. When he plays well he can look decent or mid, but when he plays bad he looks like a bottom 5 qb in league (backups included). It's not worth it, especially if we need to pay him soon, which means we have to skimp all over the roster. If the defenses don't hand it to us on a silver platter Atlanta style then we struggle big time. Defenses don't respect the offense at all. With Cam we could have the worst offensive talent and I'd still think we had a shot in any game we played. If Bryce is facing a 3rd and 10 I pretty much wave the white flag and don't think we can make that first down.

I felt like the QB play in the NFL declined as far as the bottom third guys go. Seems like the floor to be number 30 was just lower. No numbers to back it up just my impression. Came to post this, hit the 4 minute mark and Simms says something I found interesting that sounds like he has a source, I hadn’t heard anyone say this before.. but it is just a line or two in the conversation of how they reevaluated the team following the season and playoff loss. I didn’t get to see the game so I am hitting the Monday morning analysis and recaps from lots of places and came across it.

OT is a big need again unfortunately. But we should weigh all options. Our first round pick should go to the defense unless someone falls.

Like I said before…a return mid season is possible if his quad strength is at a level they are happy with. 8-12 months is the expected return time. Let’s all pray that’s the case and that his age is a factor in the healing process being expedited. Someone in a skill position would be much more impacted so I hope the young man can make a full recovery.

It amuses me seeing folks post stills of Bryce's offensive line as if the Panthers didn't go out and invest steep resources in the unit to the detriment of the rest of the roster after his rookie season following endless whailing about protecting him. These are also the same folks who will deflect to throwing anyone under the bus when Bryce fails. Highest salary cap % investment to the OL. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/position/offensive-line/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total FYI the Rams are 11th and the Chargers are 16th in this list.

I'll be wrapping up my season on Madden. Once I finalize my FA for next season, I'll email the results to Dan again. Next year may be our year.

Evero's scheme is we'll let you move the ball, 3rd down conversion is OK as long as they dont score, hope the other team messes up. They dont force the action.

The final drive was his moment. Dave was calling the plays, but Bryce, at the line, with 3 time outs, needing 30 yards with 40 seconds left, has to read the field, see what the defense is giving him, and adjust the play call if necessary. The middle of the field was wide open. We didn't have to get it all in 1 chunk. Your QB has to be able to do that. If he can't, he shouldn't be behind center. That's what I hang on Bryce. His inability to recognize the defense in the moment, adjust the play at the line to take what's given, and use our 3 timeouts to get us in field goal range instead of going 0-4, trying to get it all in one big play when that's what the defense was guarding against.

Lol suck an egg dude. You are the ultimate troll. Tell me one thing that I said, that you disagree with….also…..sources: https://www.sanfordhealth.org/-/media/org/files/medical-professionals/resources-and-education/5-patellar-tendon-repair-rehabilitation-guideline.pdf https://www.resilienceorthopedics.com/knee/patellar-tendon-surgery-recovery/ https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21573-patellar-tendon-tear https://www.sanfordhealth.org/-/media/org/files/medical-professionals/resources-and-education/5-patellar-tendon-repair-rehabilitation-guideline.pdf

Scheme is a big reason. He wants them to set the edge and then get sacks on second efforts because of coverage. You can tell by the pass rush moves we see it's either a bull rush to the chest if the OT or a slight inside move. I can't remember seeing one of our edges trying to blow around the outside with a dip or rip all year

yeah i thought about that and wanted to look at the list figure it would make him look worse to actially look at thr list

Well he's not happy, and he doesn't want to piss off the boss. I hate Evero's scheme with a passion. To me, it's just too spread out, far and in between.

Evero plays a lot of zone coverage more than any DC. I think his philosophy is to play it safe and let them make mistakes, an opportunistic defense. Being so zone heavy, I actually think he greatly relies on an effective pass rush with only 4 guys and he doesn't like to blitz to create chaos. However, our pass rush is so poor and so that's why we get gashed for big chunk pass plays. I think Dan will work hard to upgrade our pass rush, Dan has attacked a team weakness every single off season.

Three things I certainly agree with there.

Think he's been hanging with DWilliams?

I thought the panthers oline played very well this season in general and good enough on Sunday.