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The whole thing is setting itself up that way. Run it back and the law of averages says about 4-5 wins. I think at a minimum Tepper would force Canales to hire a rock star OC. But he’d probably just fire everyone.

Your debating with emotion I’m disproving the points you make with facts and statistics. You’re using arbitrary opinion statements to make a point that is illogical. We were a -70 point differential team last year, we lost to the saints twice this is a growing and young team not a contender. Clearly your not a Bryce guy, I most likely have a higher opinion of him then you do but that is besides the point. Even with an average to above average QB this is not a contending team. We have far too many holes to fill paired with a nonexistent pass rush. We need to invest in building our defense and let Bryce and this offense to continue to develop.

If the panthers have the number 1 defense next year and bryce continues to put up the same mediocre numbers you really think the fans that are blind loyal to him are NOT going to give him all the credit for the wins? Lol...thats the end of this discussion right there.

Canes are apparently trying to trade for Hamilton according to Lebrun.

Allar is who I want. Green looks interesting from a size speed combination but I haven't seen him play a single game

Bpa

He could not have brought Daniel Jones until this year. Sounds nice in an argument but is inaccurate

Best defensive player

Well rookie LOT this season could be a rook, ROT next year could be Nijman he looked better this year maybe another year sets him up. Or another journeyman, or a draft pick. Yeah. I mean maybe Icky heals really good and comes back, the 2026 drafted LOT slides over… lots of variables. Moton gone, the Icky 100 million doesn’t get spent, rookie pay scale in place, keep drafting and try to replace the guard$ by the time you need to pay the OTs.. seems workable. Linderbaum or someone else.

Right. I didn’t think it was good either but the QB sure did. He was the defacto number one target, not Chark, was my point.

We could quibble about was that an answer to what I asked but I don’t see it as being one. Look, he agreed to this Evero thing. Up front. Apparently anyway. Took the job with those conditions in place. I buy that and will work off of it. This play calling issue isn’t the same thing. I am not in the mood to delve into Canales’ shortcomings and get out the pitchforks at the moment. I will abstain from that topic and stick to the quandary the dissenters who want to usurp his play calling power, find themselves in. As far as that goes I am still on the fence and think the play calling is Bryce centric and the play selection/playbook is affected. That does not mean I know that if the playbook was open he would be great play caller. Just that he is hampered right now. Inserting an OC not of Canales’ approval changes the original parameters of the assumed agreement. Unless you think Tepper placed a contractual prescription to allow Tepper to dictate that he can insert a play caller of his choosing after a time period if he is not satisfied with Canales’ work. Which, do you really think that is in play? I do not. Unless it is, Canales has the option to yea or nay. As I said, it could be forced on him. But they only do that if they want him out. And as of now his stock is up, I would have to say I don’t own any but I think it is up. He had the stadium rocking, the team in the playoffs, and has that sorry lil draft pick trending upward. Even at this very low rate. I think he has ‘hand’ right now as they say on Seinfeld. This is something that may get play in the 2026 season, not now. IMO.

Hoping Sonny Styles falls to us.

Canes now have 19 losses on the year. Here is the truly alarming stat. 13 of those were multiple goal loses. 9 of those were 3 goal plus losses. This team is getting blown out more than any other year under Rod. why? Blue line is a total mess. It’s just no good with their combinations. It pains me to say this, but they were mikes better with Burns and Orlov. They need Slavin so bad. Health. Size. The team is too small and has no physical play. Most forwards do not forecheck. Worst under Rod. Goalie play. Pretty average to sub par. PK is downright bad. It’s allowing a little over a goal a game. Worst under Rod. Team will not win a playoff round under its current group of players. It’s not constructed to do so against heavy teams. solutions. Must get physical size by the trade deadline. Rod and Tulsky know this. That probably has to come with the 2C. KKs size but a better scorer and meaner. The need another physical winger. Goalie. Either go all in on a top guy on a bad team or get average. Lastly, better defense. Need a Right shot heavy defenseman. Yes that could mean someone’s favorite dman could sit. Looking at you Boom. thats 3-4 new guys that must be brought in for them to have a chance at a cup. And it’s all players that are different and better than what they have. They have the cap. KK is gone. Add 4 mill back. And then hope it’s jells unlike Mikko.

A 2 year deal for Coker would be terribly short sighted as I pointed out in another thread the other day. T-Mac will be eligible for an extension after 2 more seasons, and while there is still 2 years to go, he's very much looked like the type of player you extend right away, knowing waiting will only cost more money and take longer before the contract becomes a bargain with rising contracts every year. So if we sign Coker to a 2 year extension, that means we either let Coker walk after those 2 years or we don't extend T-Mac when we should, as I can't see signing both in the same off season much of an option, it was terrible for the Bengals this year. I like doing a 1 year deal for Coker to set his market value with a full season as the #2, and then sign him to a 3 or 4 year deal after that, which also separates Coker and T-Mac's contract years to help keep both around instead of having to choose at some point, like the Bengals should have done. I also think coming to an agreement on a multi year deal right now could be tough, the team will want to pay the rate of his actual production so far and his agent will want to be paid on his potential from his few breakout games, everyone might just be too far apart for a multi year deal.

I would love Sonny Styles!. I don’t think he slips that far. Get the best OT available at 19. There is a good chance icky will miss next year and then come back and may switch to guard.

Then they will have to depend on rookie tackles for awhile. They've got about 1 more good season in Moton and who knows if Ikey will ever return full strength. Better start drafting at 1 on day 2 at least. I personally would prefer a 1st round LT myself but I will take what I can get.

Get Nick Scott TF out of here please!

I would take pre leg break Alex Smith all day every day over Bryce Young….some folks in here are crazy.

Thats still not good. Look what he did this year

I did answer your initial question with my intial answer. Also, you are aware this already happened? He didn't have any say in getting Evero.

Absolutely. But you will be paying some starters on the OL. If you are going to phase out a couple being paid now, there could be room to give Linderbaum a nice signing bonus which pro rates over the life of the contract and a low year one salary. Build up the middle, inside out and front to back.

Hes faced 30+ shots though, and you dont win anything scoring 0

Special teams was the difference tonight. PK allowed a goal. PP allowed a shorty. That’s no good.

Looked to me like AT was the number one.

You one of those guys that watched The Sopranos for the Tony and Dr Melli scenes? Pretty deep psychological motivations there. That headset cutoff, that came up in a discussion about pre snap. The claim was the defense waits until Canales is muted to show their hand, leaving Bryce with dirty underwear a lot of times.