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You said you were talking about how fans and media perceive the preseason so that's what I was talking about but now you're saying that you're talking about how it's viewed from within the organization? I mean, okay. But you could've just started there and then there would've been no misinterpretation.

This franchise has, and will do, stupider things.

Again, I am not talking about the coaching strategy for preseason. I am talking about the way media and fans portray or view preseason results. You quoted my post bruv and you have now twice misinterpreted what I meant. I get it, you are disappointed after last week's showing. But know this, Dave Canales and Dan Morgan are not concerned with your glimmer of hope. Also, I heard and viewed them looking really good in the joint practice. I am disappointed that it didn't translate to Saturday, but I will never truly freak out about this team until they look bad into week 3 or 4 of the regular season.

you know who has had a pretty awesome preseason has been ex panthers qb kyle allen, would be total panthers for the lions to end up having to play him due to injury and him lighting it up for them all year.

I like Ekbugka probably will be eventually, dont know about this year with the Bucs new Offensive Cordinator Grizzard lol (he was a year behind me in high school) needless to say I seriously question them calling him an offensive wizard lol.

I'm fine with "not showing our hand" in preseason as long as we don't come out looking flat week one. If that happens again then Canales needs to be on the hottest of seats.

Well, we are certainly in for a real show now. What a treat.

Yeah his transformation makes me understand the gamble, but just not with a top 10 pick. On a side note I am curious about how far along Trey Lance has come as a passer. He had some great physical tools and has sat for years now.

Yep. Honestly, Josh Allen is the most obvious bust I've ever seen in college. The strides he made as a passer I would've previously said was impossible. It's difficult to describe how wildly inaccurate Allen was in college without coming across as hyperbole. He had never completed 60% of his passes before the NFL. Not at Wyoming, not in junior college at Reedley, not even in HS. This was Josh Allen in college against decent competition Just listen to that exasperated "wow..." from the announcer. Bruh is a professional college football commentator and can barely comprehend the level of trash he's watching. LOL For that guy to turn into a legit MVP NFL QB absolutely boggles the mind.

Why? He’s done literally nothing. He may be the most overrated JAG in recent memory. I don’t get the love affair for this guy.

2 out of 3 QBs on the worst 5 list. Nice.

No one wants to miss on the next Josh Allen. The truth is Allen is clearly an outlier...

If I had a dime every time Daniel Jones found his way to starting an NFL game again...

I hear what you are saying, but he honestly had a similar profile to Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson entering the draft. I think he has all the talent to be great; it's just a matter if he can stay healthy and learn to read defenses. He also really had nobody to throw to at WR when he was on the field. I still wanted CJ number 1 and had Bryce and AR as a distant 2 and 3. AR was definitely a pick that when you made it, you sit him at least year 1 (like the Giants are going to do with Dart). Colts rushed him out there and have paid the price for it so far.

I think it only helps. They are still just calling plays from the same playbook and you aren't showing wrinkles or tendencies in preseason. They dont watch tape of the other team ahead of time so there is really no chess to it. I dont think it hurts in any way.

This honestly makes no sense. If you’re gonna have a week where the real play callers are calling plays, why not make it the week when 1st string plays the most?

Interesting and fair point. I think the Bears also have to go all-out with their playcalling in the preseason because they have a new OC with a completely new playbook. Hard to be vanilla in your playcalling then expect your team to know every play week 1 when they only had an offseason to learn the playbook

We need to stop disrespecting Demani Richardson

Sarcastically saying this... This is our way of playing 5D chess when we actually don't call moronic plays the entire game week 1 vs Jacksonville. If we are calling 90% pass plays like we did in the first preseason game, go ahead and take us out back and put us out of our misery

Just wanted to mention that the Bears were not doing vanilla playcalling. It was very reminiscent to Mike McDaniels' first season in Miami where he showed his hand and then in year two everything seemed to come to a halt. It's too early to make the same determination for Ben Johnson's future, but it was very apparent that he was treating preseason like the regular season. Some fans like that mentality for understandable reasons. However, one of the risks to that is exposing your tendencies to the rest of the league at the beginning. Last season was to see if Bryce could be the guy. At the beginning, it looked like the damage from his rookie season had done him in. Mid-way through, he's back and looking good. At the end, he's still ascending. This season, the focus is on rebuilding the defense while developing our young weapons. Winning is always the #1 desire, but I don't know if we're deep enough on both sides of the ball yet to demand excellence yet. 2026 we'll have cap space, some expiring contracts to make decisions on, and knowledge of whether or not there's going to need to be a change at QB.

Maybe. I can't imagine there is more than a handful of 3rd stringers and beyond that are worth keeping on this team. I wouldn't be surprised if we had more waiver wire pickups on our roster than current 3rd/4th stringers on this team

The major issue here being that Richardson went #4. The Panthers correctly evaluated that sitting at #9 we were simply too low in the draft order to land one of the top QB prospects. Now whether or not the move was worth the cost or whether or not we picked the right guy, those are completely different questions but sitting too low at #9 was the correct evaluation of the situation. Honestly, I'm not sure how much AR even played into our planning process there. Really seemed like it was Young and Stroud. We were fine with either as was shown by us first trying to trade up to #2 initially, but obviously ultimately preferred Young.

Frank Reich, Ryan Poles get honest about challenges of developing No. 1 pick QB. *Reich: My handling of offensive system "probably made it more difficult for Bryce (Young)" *Poles: From 24-25. tone changed from bridging Caleb Williams to 'tough love' https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1957857880276705508?s=46

As bad as AR has been, the Panthers would’ve been better off right now, if they had stayed at #9 in 2023 and picked him instead of doing what they did. At least this way, they would’ve only wasted one draft pick vs what they gave up to pick BY. And they would have kept the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.

I felt pretty good about us making progress this season, surprising some people, and getting some more wins than last season going into it. Now, after preseason, my expectations are much, much lower. I was talking with my friend who is a Bears fan, and we were discussing their drubbing of the Bills and how people try to dismiss it as “preseason, so it doesn’t count.” It absolutely counts. Not the wins or losses. No one really cares about that. But what the Bears are doing shows that even in a vanilla, non-specific scheme, they are executing at an elite level and they are disciplined. It shows they are well coached. They see growth in their players. Versus us - hard to tell what we’re looking at because everything is a fuging mess. In games we’re still undisciplined, be it penalties or assignments. We do NOT execute. We got random coaches calling plays that won’t be calling plays during the season, we have our players getting into fights in the last padded practice of the preseason, then we have Bryce and Chuba trying to correct it while our coach sat off to the side laughing. To be clear, I like Canales. He seems like a good dude. But, it feels like we have very little direction and discipline. You’re allowing a team who has been historically bad the last almost decade, with a losing culture that mostly bereft of talent to self-police? You’re allowing subordinates to work on pet projects at the expense of getting valuable reps and evaluation of players in during games? My friend literally brought up last night that when Ben Johnson got there he essentially put DJ Moore on notice because it was starting to be perceived that he was displaying some diva-behavior. That’s leadership. And they’re reaping the benefits early and setting a tone. My friend said there is an excitement and confidence in and around their team that’s he’s never felt his entire life. And here we are, sounding and looking like The Bad News Bears in our final week of training camp and preseason. I literally stopped watching after halftime last week. I used to watch every play faithfully, even in 2001 and 2010. It was fun. This isn’t. We are bad and our administration keeps making bad decisions to compound things. Reading poo like this today is just fuging deflating.