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No, both instances of references to the defense were specific to the run defense. I should have said "run defense" the 2nd time. You admit there has been ample personal issue but then use those stats to support your argument. I'm not arguing on the effectiveness of his specific scheme overall. I'm saying he is only now getting the proper personal to run his scheme. The stats are the stats and while I don't disagree with any of what you're saying, 3 years of those stats are based on the Panthers front office not giving him the tools to run a competitive NFL defense until this year with D. Brown getting healthy and the additional of Tre'von Moehrig. I want to see his defense when we don't have multiple key starter positions manned with players who would IMHO are not starting level players. With some talent I say all this while not being a big fan of his scheme. I would prefer a 4-3 but that's neither here or there. And yes, I would call getting requests and interviews from other teams who want to hire him good evidence that he may be a pretty good DC and has a lot of potential as a HC. In 2022 he had HC requests from the Broncos, Colts, and Texans. He also had requests for DC from the Vikings, Falcons and the Panthers. We hired him to be our DC. In 2023 it was the Falcons, Raiders and Seahawks for a HC position. In 2024 the Falcons, Seahawks and the Panthers interviewd him for HC. We blocked the Jags from a DC interview. In 2025 (which is this years hiring cycle) so far its the Falcons, Raiders and just today the Steelers, all for the HC position.

The Giants still may be crap but they just improved somewhat by hiring Harbaugh,

Yeah I was almost going to mention the finger but he did so well last week after whatever they did to it at halftime I let it go. It could get hit and messed up worse, it is a weak point. Weather and home field crowd in Chicago are huge challenges no doubt. I can’t really be confident in LA but the inexperience of Chicago in a game with this stuff at stake is likely to be a factor, enough to make it hard to be confident in them. So who knows….

Your last sentence is the only one that matters. Until the team is ready to give up and move on you will have to watch him out there struggling to make 200 yrds/gm.

Niki

And they are cake compared to the HC gig. Paid vacation. Mandatory attendance, but still a relative vacation. I saw where Tomlin met with his players and told them he did not want to coach any other group. Was emotional. So I would say that puts him out of the race at least for this year. Or if he isn’t it paints him as a hypocrite.

Stroud was pressured like hell against Pittsburgh and they are a FAR better pass rush team than NE. Collins being out will be a thing, for sure. New England is a less effective defense than Pittsburgh. I think it still comes down to which QB fugs up the least. Weather may be a huge factor with LA. Don't forget that finger injury to Stafford too. In that weather, no less.

You realize that it doesn't have to come from the Panthers HQ to be spin? If you live and breath something---basically drink the Kool aid---espousing the company line can come natural.

I would like to see play action from the gun vs under center be accounted for. Completely different animals.

Hate the Bills with a passion but they’re winning it all this year.

I call a 3rd significant at this point. Might they take a day 3 flier? Possible. 6th, 7th round.

Propaganda is the direct implication that this is he being used by the Panthers to spout a message. This is a poor example of that, in my estimation. He is far more likely to just be a homer. This isn't abnormal behavior from him. It's hyperbolic because you are spinning it as some greater thing from Panthers HQ, which is very likely is not.

Practice what you preach.

I am leaning New England because Stroud has to overcome the noise, the weather, missing Collins and they are gonna pressure the hell out of him. I feel like Buffalo and Denver is gonna be a tight low scoring game. Toss up. Seattle at home? Seattle by 10. Bears and Rams? Tough one. Rams defense is suspect at this level, and weather and the crowd is going to be hard to beat. I don’t know. Home field vs mucho playoff seasoning and Stafford? I can’t pick that one either but if I were forced to I go with the experience.

Justin Herbert is the worst QB in Chargers history

There was only maybe two guys worth "significant" draft capital in this class, one of them went back. This class is deep on Day 2/3 guys.

Seahawks defense is special

Incorrect. He was talking about Week 18.

Even if you're somewhat correct--not totally--it's still not hyperbole. I mean, why does any of this stuff matter? Just something to shoot the sh¡t about.

Hank Hill is a big Cowboys fan. I bet XL would look sharp in those Cowboy whites with the star on his helmet. Are you listening, Jerruh?

I don’t know about the word itself, but people use propaganda as a tool through they can obtain political power. People that do propaganda suck. Stew is biased. He isn’t twisting facts lobbying and trying to fool people, he just has an opinion. I would maybe call him a somewhat of a shill though, when he minimizes negatives to paint the organization in the most positive light he can. He is being paid by the team. Also, he knows the players personally. You aren’t gonna get any controversial negatives out of him publicly.

Are you now equating best/worst rush defense with best/worst defense? Those are separate things entirely. For rush defense, depending on how you quantify it, he has been largely in the bottom third of the league his entire career as a defensive coordinator. As you can see, aside from his one year in Denver, he has never been above 20th in yardage. Now, there is context to consider which is most coordinators choose to run on him(24th-32nd ranked in his three year in Carolina). So, if you just simply look at Y/A, it has been a relatively mixed bag. Twice a top 15 defense but twice a bottom 15 defense. The thing the should make all this good/bad run defense a lot clearer is the right most columns. Evero's defense has always prioritized pass defense and confusing QB's. That's the core of his defensive philosophy, as has been reported relatively widely. As much as there are ample personnel issues on that side of the ball(many of which he contributes to with his below average talent evaluations) his defenses may never be truly elite in rush and pass defense unless they are stocked with defensive talent. Like....his Denver defense that he inherited was. To that point, if you look at all those rankings from the three years Fangio(of whom Evero is a noted disciple) it shows a progression of getting steadily better into the far more elite defense it is now under Vance Joseph. As far as his HC interest, recall that he was a hot commodity after Denver and that cooled significantly after his first two years here. I suppose if you count getting interviews for HC positions as a benchmark for being a good coach(most would not) then he is middle of the packish.

We are talking last week's playoff game, right? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202601100car.htm?hl=en-US#all_player_offense https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/boxscore/NFL_20260110_LAR@CAR/?hl=en-US https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/football/nfl/stats/2879581?hl=en-US

That was funny.