SmokinwithWilly

I can't even fathom turning down that amount of money. I could travel the world the rest of my life, my kids and grandkids would have enough to be taken care of, and I could still do a hell of a lot of good with the rest.

Letting a franchise QB like Lamar walk has the weird feeling of Matt Paradis to me. Obviously not same position, but following an injury, a player considered top tier at his position is being allowed to look elsewhere. That just seems... odd.

The offer I saw was 250M over 5 years with 133m guaranteed that would have extended him through 2027. So the offer was 50m per year with 26.5m per year guaranteed. edit: also no agent fee so it would be more like 55.5m per season

They had to make a choice between McDaniels or Carr and couldn't afford to fire McDaniels. I'm not vouching for Carr, but talk of firing a coach year 1 is never a good sign that things are going well.

He turned down $250 with $133M guaranteed. He wants fully guaranteed money which we all know. If it turns into a bidding war he could see more, I just don't want to see us be a part of it.

Getting away from Reid is really the only way he's going to get a fair evaluation as an OC. If he succeeds in DC, I could see him getting more HC interviews and possibly a job.

Somewhere Alejandro Lustra is popping Viagra like they're a family sized bag of M&M's

Every team in front of us has a reason to draft a QB. Some are more likely than others, some less. The least likely are Chicago, Seattle, Detroit and Arizona. Houston, Indy, Atlanta, and Vegas are more likely, baring FA acquisitions. IF we decide to move to 1, we're selling the farm no matter what.

My ideal draft scenario involves Chicago trading for 9th selection by offering us their next 3 1sts, but I don't really see that happening.

I'm not gonna lie, 50-60m per year guaranteed for 5-6 years scares the poo out of me for a QB that has missed 25% of the season the past 2 years.

But neither KC, Cinci, or LA will have to give up 2-3 1sts plus as many 2nds in addition to that contract. This isn't about just getting a franchise QB. It's about having the ability to build around him. If Carr wants 40m plus per season, he can walk on by too. If I had to choose if I would rather have LJ, DJ, TMJ, Tremble, Thomas and Chubba OR I could have Carr, DJ, QJ, TMJ, 2 of Mayer/Musgrave/Kincaid, Freeman for an offense, the 2nd option looks much more appealing to me from a talent perspective.

That was brutal to watch. I didn't think he'd even walk right again after that much less play football.

That trade was also for the 3rd ranked QB in that draft. It's everyone's guess really what it's going to cost, but with so many QB needy teams, I could easily see Indy matching that identical offer and Chicago would take it because it it would only drop them 3 positions. The reason the Jets got what they did for Darnold is Rhule played his cards with T2G way too early. He tried to play poker with his cards face up and we got taken to the cleaners. Going into a trade negotiation desperate is never going to work out for you.

Player vs player I have no issue with it. A QB pushing over the top isn't going to affect the way that pile moves too much horizontally. Make that a QB pushed by 2 RBs and that can change dramatically depending on which way they decide to push. When all your muscles are tensed and you're body is positioned and driving forward, it's very difficult to react to a lateral move also. Also, extra falling bodies from behind can knock feet out when traction is already a serious issue. I would liken it to trying to drive a truck with a loaded trailer and you have no idea if or which way it's going to fishtail. You may be able to control it, you may not. If you lose control though, the results aren't going to be pretty.

From 12 to 3 cost 3 1sts. No way 9 to 1 goes for less than that.

There really needs to be some type of developmental league other than college football. I think a lot of the problem stems from you have teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, etc. playing a lot of games against far inferior teams. These guys are making the jump to the NFL and have only faced that level of talent once or twice a year, plus playoffs. It's really hard to determine how good a college QB is when he's throwing to a top 10 receiver vs a top 250 ranked CB.

Especially for the linemen. Because they are so low and have to have their feet dug in so well, there really isn't a whole lot of flexibility for them. A couple thousand pounds of beef falling sideways is going to end up hurting 4 or 5 guys at once. They'll end up stopping it once they're having to cart off multiple players with Jason Sehorn like injuries. I remember watching that as he went airborne and almost puked.

What's going to happen is someone is going to get seriously hurt and snap some legs when that pile goes sideways. I can tell you from experience being on the bottom of that pile with your knee bent sideways that is not something I would ever wish on anyone. 30 years later and it still isn't right.

Could be difficult with Seattle in the market as well if he's there. Was Geno a one hit wonder and how long can they expect him to play at that level? If he's there at 5, I see Seattle running to the podium.

Might as well call it a RB push now.

2 years from now, you have Lamar and no DJ because you couldn't pay his contract, a bunch of no name WRs and no way get them because your picks are in Baltimore and over half your cap is tied up in Moton, Burns, Horn, Ickey, Bozeman, Chinn, and LJ. The other 100m or so is going to be needed for whatever 46 players you can get. Franchise QB, same situation. Trading for LJ is a win it all now move and this team isn't win it all now ready. I'm not advocating for Carr. I'm just saying I think it would be harder to build a multi year SB contender than you think

Not arguing that. Just saying the direction we go FA/trade will pretty much identify how we move in the draft.

I never said Carr is better. I actually think it will be harder to build a multi year SB contender with the price LJ will cost vs Carr and elite talent picks. I'm looking at the big picture and you're focused on a single player. Lamar would have done great in Vegas watching his defense give up lead after lead and Josh McDaniels running a team so badly they would have fired him after one season but couldn't afford it. Imagine how bad you have to be to not even last half as long as Matt Rhule.

True but they're available to be had in the offseason if you're willing to pay.

We're signing a vet QB in FA. The level of that signing will give more direction to the way we're going to go in the draft. Rodgers, LJ or Carr, I expect us to pass on a 1st round QB. Darnold, Brissett or similar and I expect us to go for a rookie in rd 1.