We didn't do Cam any favors, and if this is it we're gonna have some problems

[DaveThePanther2008]

You don't really believe that statement, do you? We're talking about Byron Bell and a converted DT who played mostly guard last season.

Also, what's our depth look like? What happens if one of them gets injured?

 

Go listen to the press conference on the last day.  That is pretty much exactly what G-man said.   That those late round players are not any better than the ones we already have.  If that is the case.  Take the best football players you have. 

 

Chandler was a TE when he went to UCLA (I believe)  He has some offensive background and he has been working on the offensive side since 2012.

 

He is athletic and strong.   After two years maybe he is finally comfortable. 

 

[Khaki Lackey]

Well, that's surely the company line. We don't have to accept it without question.

It would seem to me that we could have done without an RB in the sixth---regardless of his blocking skills and special teams prowess---in favor of James Hurst who has a good medical prognosis. But, who knows?

Would you wager your livelihood on the success of James Hurst? Now, imagine that not only does your livelihood depend on your picks, but your instincts (that you honed in scouting and personnel over the span of a 20+ year career) tell you that this guy doesn't have it. Do you pick him anyway, instead of a player you think has a chance at a productive career, just to make it look like you are attempting to do something about a problem? Is that how you go about your job?

Do we really think Gettleman didn't have some OTs that he liked, that he was hoping would fall to us? He's probably a little disappointed too.

I never saw this much bitching about Hurney drafts and in hindsight, they were awful (other than first round gimmees.)

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[BigBoss]

Fantastic well thought out and very fair and logical post. Oh and I agree.

 

 

We took a great OG in the third..... but NOBODY is saying anything about his pass protection for some reason. Will he only contribute to the many problems we face at times from the pass along with the OT's

[tiger7_88]

Here's a simple answer to teh complex question of BPA.

If BPA was the best drafting strategy then there would never be a situation with good players falling. Now ask yourself why 31 other teams passed over tht player.

You realize that all the teams aren't drafting off the same list, right? That teams do their own scouting? And often come to separate conclusions?

[top dawg]

Would you wager your livelihood on the success of James Hurst? Now, imagine that not only does your livelihood depend on your picks, but your instincts (that you honed in scouting and personnel over the span of a 20+ year career) tell you that this guy doesn't have it. Do you pick him anyway, instead of a player you think has a chance at a productive career, just to make it look like you are attempting to do something about a problem? Is that how you go about your job?

Do we really think Gettleman didn't have some OTs that he liked, that he was hoping would fall to us? He's probably a little disappointed too.

I never saw this much bitching about Hurney drafts and in hindsight, they were awful (other than first round gimmees.)

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James Hurst would have been a late round pick, so there is no livelihood to be wagered. Drafting him would have been more of a calculated risk.  Do I think that he was worth that relatively slight risk in light of our specific need for potential starters (or just plain depth) on the O-line? Yes.  Let's not forget that pre-injury, Hurst was receiving anywhere from a round 2-3 grade.  So, at the end of the day, I wouldn't bet against him.  

 

Don't forget that Ozzie Newsome has been in the business for a long time as well, and specifically a successful GM a lot longer than G-man, and he snapped Hurst up just as soon as he could.

 

Lucky for Hurney that I didn't pay attention to his drafts or the business side of football at the time, or i would have raked him over the coals in this forum.  I still think that G-man is doing an overall good job, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of his moves.  But, hey, this is a forum---a discussion board.

[hdevonxz]

Maybe, just maybe, it is the fact that not every team has the exact same scouting staff, or their GM likes different types of players, or the schemes are not the same, ect.

Plenty of reasons every team does not draft the same. You are welcome.

 

 

My thinking is that they argee with the line of thinking. Or they have no clue what they are doing, they can quote but don't have any clue how to add context.

The question has been burning in my brain for a while. Glad someone else noticed.

 

 

You answered my rhetorical question? Not every team drafts the BPA becausde every team has different needs.....which points out how illogical it is to draft BPA if that BPA isn't someone you need as bad as another position, etc. 

[iamhubby1]

You answered my rhetorical question? Not every team drafts the BPA becausde every team has different needs.....which points out how illogical it is to draft BPA if that BPA isn't someone you need as bad as another position, etc.

Don't take this the wrong way, but, Tiger also answered your question. So I am not the only one that thought your question needed answering.

Look at it this way. If you stock your team with BPA I would bet you have a very well rounded, and talented team.

You draft for need, and you get yourself into trouble. Because if you are wrong, you lose out on a player that can help you. So the next year you have more needs to draft for. Not the kind of strategy I would advise using. Unless you are perfect in your drafting of need, you are going to fight a losing battle.

Teams need talented kids to groom for eventual replacement. Hence BPA. If you draft for need, you have no depth, no players to step up in case of emergency, and you have to draft for need every year. You never get ahead.

Gman fills holes through FA. Then drafts the best players he can find. Solid thinking in my book. We don't have money for top flight FA, so we take the best available FA we can find. Once we have some of these contracts off the books, I would wager a bet Gman will bring in more top flight talent.

But hey, what do I know? I think Gman is doing a great job. Other than the Smitty thingy anyway.

[hdevonxz]

Don't take this the wrong way, but, Tiger also answered your question. So I am not the only one that thought your question needed answering.

Look at it this way. If you stock your team with BPA I would bet you have a very well rounded, and talented team.

You draft for need, and you get yourself into trouble. Because if you are wrong, you lose out on a player that can help you. So the next year you have more needs to draft for. Not the kind of strategy I would advise using. Unless you are perfect in your drafting of need, you are going to fight a losing battle.

Teams need talented kids to groom for eventual replacement. Hence BPA. If you draft for need, you have no depth, no players to step up in case of emergency, and you have to draft for need every year. You never get ahead.

Gman fills holes through FA. Then drafts the best players he can find. Solid thinking in my book. We don't have money for top flight FA, so we take the best available FA we can find. Once we have some of these contracts off the books, I would wager a bet Gman will bring in more top flight talent.

But hey, what do I know? I think Gman is doing a great job. Other than the Smitty thingy anyway.

 

Was Kelvin Benjamin the BPA at 28? 

[iamhubby1]

Who was better?

[hdevonxz]

Who was better?

 

Answered my question with a question, but KB would have fallen to the 2nd round, he was a reach at 28,  And wasn't the best player available.    He did, however, address a need that we have.  So what I'm getting at is that you truly never draft BPA, because it's simply not logical, you instead address the BPA FOR YOUR NEEDS, and IMO you delegate those needs based on importance.  Why didn't we draft a QB in the draft?  There was a BPA QB at a time for many of our picks, yet we were NEVER going to do so, why?  Because we don't NEED one.  The point of early round picks is to take guys who will make an impact on your team immediately.  Who has at least some chance of starting.

[frash.exe]

So let me see if I understand what you're trying to say here...

You'd turn down purchasing a shiny, brand-new Porsche that you could buy for the price of a minivan?

Car metaphors for nfl players are just the worst aren't they?

[BlackCnqstdr]

Answered my question with a question, but KB would have fallen to the 2nd round, he was a reach at 28,  And wasn't the best player available.    He did, however, address a need that we have.  So what I'm getting at is that you truly never draft BPA, because it's simply not logical, you instead address the BPA FOR YOUR NEEDS, and IMO you delegate those needs based on importance.  Why didn't we draft a QB in the draft?  There was a BPA QB at a time for many of our picks, yet we were NEVER going to do so, why?  Because we don't NEED one.  The point of early round picks is to take guys who will make an impact on your team immediately.  Who has at least some chance of starting.

 

What list are you using to determine BPA? 

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

Here's a simple answer to teh complex question of BPA.

 

 

If BPA was the best drafting strategy then there would never be a situation with good players falling. Now ask yourself why 31 other teams passed over tht player. 

 

Its about having an edge. Staying true to BPA gives DG an edge. If every single team followed the BPA strategy then, yes, you would need to come up with a different strategy to give you an edge.

[Jon Snow]

Answered my question with a question, but KB would have fallen to the 2nd round, he was a reach at 28, And wasn't the best player available. He did, however, address a need that we have. So what I'm getting at is that you truly never draft BPA, because it's simply not logical, you instead address the BPA FOR YOUR NEEDS, and IMO you delegate those needs based on importance. Why didn't we draft a QB in the draft? There was a BPA QB at a time for many of our picks, yet we were NEVER going to do so, why? Because we don't NEED one. The point of early round picks is to take guys who will make an impact on your team immediately. Who has at least some chance of starting.

So you know for a fact he was a reach? What team do you work for?

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