The Greg Hardy thread....for everything Hardy related

[Matthias]

One question: Why was Hardy convicted?

 

Probably bias.  Some have said the judge was just protecting her own interest.

[gettlemanjack]

[Mr. Scot]

Voth's take on yesterday can be read here:

 

http://blackandbluereview.com/panthers-defensive-end-greg-hardy-deactivated-indefinitely/

[JJman]

<p>A few facts for you about this worthless topic of domestic abuse, a topic that just needs to be kept in the family, kept private:

• In the United States, researchers estimate the 40 percent to 70 percent of female murder victims were killed by their husbands or boyfriends, frequently in the context of an ongoing abusive relationship.
• According to the FBI, a woman is battered every 15 seconds.
• 2 million to 4 million American women are abused each year.
• White, Black, Hispanic & Non-Hispanic women have equivalent rates of violence committed by intimate partners.
• Nearly 1/2 of men who abuse their female partners, also abuse their children.
• Up to 50% of homeless women and children in this country are fleeing domestic violence.
• Studies show that women face the greatest risk of assault when they leave or threaten to leave their partners, or report the abuse to authorities.

And what does the NFL/ESPN have to do with any of this?

And when did I call it a "worthless" topic?

[MHS831]

How I see this

 

There are a bunch of things that are confusing people, making this more complex than it really is.  First of all, Hardy is not exactly as innocent as many of you think, if you read the law.  Assault is not necessarily hitting a person, it is the intentional, realistic threat of harm one person uses against another.   Since I do not pretend to know the details, nor should any of you, I can say that, from what I have heard about the case, there was a threat of harm.  If he had access to a collection of assault weapons, for example, and intimidated her in any way with them, then he is guilty of assault.  If he hit her, then he is guilty of battery.

 

The other thing that confuses people is the fact that they think the NFL has to have a proven violation of the law to discipline a player.  Not so.  If Hardy's conduct was in any way damaging to the reputation of the Panthers and the league, either party can discipline him. These players are backed by a union headed by lawyers-it happens all the time.  However, the NFL has been relatively soft in terms of discipline because it usually leads to a big ordeal with the union lawyers, so they have been passive.  Now, however, the public outcry is so strong, it outweighs the temper tantrums of the players' union, so we are where we are.  So Hardy's punishment is not necessarily determined by his innocence or guilt in a court of law, but by the manner in which his voluntary actions are viewed in terms of his contract and the agreement between the NFL and the Players' Union. Guessing that the threats from major sponsors to clean this up, coinciding with the statements of political leaders and major media outlets, it is no longer an internal matter. 

 

This is how I understand this.  I have taught education law to perspective principals, and was in the dark about the difference between assault and battery.  I am not a lawyer and am learning as we go as everyone else. 

 

Hardy makes $770k per week, so I don't imagine his team of lawyers will have any difficulty getting him off vs. some low-paid district attorney.  

[Panther53521]

the problem i have is it doesn't take that long to research this stuff on the internet and i'm sure media folks could get a hold of any number of experts on nc law for clarification and/or quotes.  the fact that the stuff posted above is virtually going unreported goes to show exactly where the VAST majority of the media folk's heads are at.  it is lazy, dishonest, sleazy, any number of adjectives could be used to describe their tactics.  

 

But honesty does not get ratings ... You have to make it look SOOOO bad that people tell their friends to look, that my friend is how you get ratings.

[Tub of Goo]

I wonder what ESPN will artificially care about next month.

My money is on HGH

[Panther53521]

Next month ... Probably a huge fight in the NBA maybe with a fan involved

[pantherj]

How I see this

 

There are a bunch of things that are confusing people, making this more complex than it really is.  First of all, Hardy is not exactly as innocent as many of you think, if you read the law.  Assault is not necessarily hitting a person, it is the intentional, realistic threat of harm one person uses against another.   Since I do not pretend to know the details, nor should any of you, I can say that, from what I have heard about the case, there was a threat of harm.  If he had access to a collection of assault weapons, for example, and intimidated her in any way with them, then he is guilty of assault.  If he hit her, then he is guilty of battery.

 

The other thing that confuses people is the fact that they think the NFL has to have a proven violation of the law to discipline a player.  Not so.  If Hardy's conduct was in any way damaging to the reputation of the Panthers and the league, either party can discipline him. These players are backed by a union headed by lawyers-it happens all the time.  However, the NFL has been relatively soft in terms of discipline because it usually leads to a big ordeal with the union lawyers, so they have been passive.  Now, however, the public outcry is so strong, it outweighs the temper tantrums of the players' union, so we are where we are.  So Hardy's punishment is not necessarily determined by his innocence or guilt in a court of law, but by the manner in which his voluntary actions are viewed in terms of his contract and the agreement between the NFL and the Players' Union. Guessing that the threats from major sponsors to clean this up, coinciding with the statements of political leaders and major media outlets, it is no longer an internal matter. 

 

This is how I understand this.  I have taught education law to perspective principals, and was in the dark about the difference between assault and battery.  I am not a lawyer and am learning as we go as everyone else. 

 

Hardy makes $770k per week, so I don't imagine his team of lawyers will have any difficulty getting him off vs. some low-paid district attorney.  

 

That's what's so odd about this whole mess. Why not suspend him now and get this over with? Because they're waiting to determine how severely they're going to punish him based on the trial? So let's say Hardy misses the rest of the season due to the trial not ending until after the season has finished. He's found innocent. The NFL decides to suspend him for 6 games for damaging the leagues reputation. For our team, it would be much better to suspend him now, and maybe we can get him back. Wait to suspend him, and we'll never see him in a Panther uniform again.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

A few facts for you about this worthless topic of domestic abuse, a topic that just needs to be kept in the family, kept private:

• In the United States, researchers estimate the 40 percent to 70 percent of female murder victims were killed by their husbands or boyfriends, frequently in the context of an ongoing abusive relationship.
• According to the FBI, a woman is battered every 15 seconds.
• 2 million to 4 million American women are abused each year.
• White, Black, Hispanic & Non-Hispanic women have equivalent rates of violence committed by intimate partners.
• Nearly 1/2 of men who abuse their female partners, also abuse their children.
• Up to 50% of homeless women and children in this country are fleeing domestic violence.
• Studies show that women face the greatest risk of assault when they leave or threaten to leave their partners, or report the abuse to authorities.

most people use statistics like drunks use lamp posts. For support rather than illumination.

[SmokinwithWilly]

If Hardy is found innocent, will he be able to sue the NFL for how they have handled all of this and how they have damaged his reputation? 

[thunderraiden]

Can someone tell me exactly if Hardy is currently deemed innocent by terms of "trail de novo"? Like is he considered innocent in the eyes of North Carolina despite being hit with the guilty verdict in the July trail? I have been saying it but I'm not sure if he is technically considered innocent or not.

[pantherj]

If Hardy is found innocent, will he be able to sue the NFL for how they have handled all of this and how they have damaged his reputation? 

 

I don't think so because it's not the NFL that damaged his reputation, and he's still being paid. The way I understand it, the  Panthers asked Hardy if he would be willing to put on the exempt list. Hardy agreed to this request. The NFL didn't ask him to be exempt, the Panthers did, and he agreed. The NFL is still waiting to punish him big time. That hasn't even started. Being on the exempt list is not Hardy's punishment from the NFL, it's simply a team decision.

 

[WUnderhill]

I don't think so because it's not the NFL that damaged his reputation, and he's still being paid. The way I understand it, the Panthers asked Hardy if he would be willing to put on the exempt list. Hardy agreed to this request. The NFL didn't ask him to be exempt, the Panthers did, and he agreed. The NFL is still waiting to punish him big time. That hasn't even started. Being on the exempt list is not Hardy's punishment from the NFL, it's simply a team decision.

Only the commissioner (Goodell) has the authority to put a player on the exempt list. Hence, whether it was communicated by the team or not, it was an option given to Hardy by Goodell, not the Panthers.