Are we a better team than when we facedGreen Bay in 2011?

[PhillyB]

I think RG is a + and RT is a wash. Remember Bell made his first start at RT against Green Bay.

 

was he as bad as chandler? our RG was hangaartner right? he was serviceable.

 

a couple of them were pretty much washes though. WR1 is pretty debatable… i gave the edge to smitty, but not by much. KB was a few non-drops away from getting it.

[PhillyB]

Are we better on D?

 

over a selected stretch that makes us look especially bad? no

 

over 2011? yes, absolutely. i think we forget how abysmal that season was. we knew we were gonna lose games well before it happened. now we stay toe to toe on both sides of the ball.

[mbarbour21]

We are more disapline imo. We dont choke at the end i feel like we finish better. More experience.

plus i think we will get it together here defensivly soon. We dont typically have good starts. Best start in a long time this season folks. We will build up steam and finish strong.

Yep! Hit it right on the head. Cam has grown and should not throw three picks in this game. Possibly would have won that one had Smitty not made a rookie mistake carrying the ball in one hand.

[Car123]

Much better on offense imo and just as bad on defense atm...

2011 offense was better. Smith Olsen Shockey plus a decent line.

[CRA]

over a selected stretch that makes us look especially bad? no

over 2011? yes, absolutely. i think we forget how abysmal that season was. we knew we were gonna lose games well before it happened. now we stay toe to toe on both sides of the ball.

But there is an assumption made that who we have shown to be on D.....isn't what we are. Maybe we are? We don't really know

[AKPantherFan]

Yes. Hands down. If by no other reason than Cam has grown.

First downs = Touchdowns

Touchdowns = Wins

Cam newton does that!

[TheRumGone]

We are without question better on O and D

[hepcat]

Cam is better, the O-Line is probably worse, the D line and linebackers are better, the secondary is worse.  It was a shootout in 2011 and it'll be a shootout in 2014.  We're in for a lot of those this year.

[Ship]

Cam newton is a better QB than he was his second ever nfl game. Offense is better in his hands now. 2011 one of our worst defensive years, major losses of beason and Davis, fua manning the nt greg had yet to bloom, who was across from gamble? Who was the other safety across from Godfrey?

We're better across the board. Shockey was fine smitty was good. Kelvin and Greg and the rest have them covered. If Chud was coaching this offense today we would put up just as many if not more stats. Rbs have been in the backseat since cam got here. Cam still scrambled with the old o-line, sure we miss gross but for every other position who cares?

No question we're a lot better in every way.

[RelaxImaPro]

Since 2011 was mainly about offense, that's what I'll focus on.

 

Smitty still somewhat had that elite speed and vertical in 2011 (probably his last year possessing it).  Smitty was a straight up beast in 2011, and if not for a bunch of bad luck getting tackled at the 1-inch mark of the goal line, and Chud's infatuation with the read option + Double Trouble having a mini-resurgence in the 2nd half of the season... it probably would've been his best season IMO.  We really dialed down on the passing the 2nd half of the season.

 

I love me some KB and I'd take him 10/10 over 2014 Smitty, but 2011 Smitty takes that match up no contest for now.  2011 Smitty >>> rookie KB.

 

2014 WR2-4 >> 2011 WR2-4.  2nd year LaFell, Seyi Ajirotutu, and Legatron... yeah.  This year's group wins that one pretty comfortably.

 

Olsen >? Olsen.  He's better now, but he's still essentially the same player.

 

Shockey >> Dickson, Williams.  Shock was the man.  That legit 2 TE threat really opened our offense up, and I'm hoping Dickson or Williams develops into the threat Shockey was that year.

 

Healthy Double Trouble >>> 6th string RBs being signed off the street.  We had a pretty great running game that year in case many have forgot (albeit mostly due to the threat Cam presented).

 

2011 O-line (it was actually pretty doggone good that year) >>> 2014 o-line.

 

 

The big one though, is Cam of course.  Cam is a way more complete QB now and a veteran that doesn't make some of those rookie mistakes he was prone to back then.  But on the flipside they let Cam do pretty much whatever he wanted back then.  He was truly "unleashed" in 2011.  Passing and running all over the place.

 

2014 Cam >> 2011 Cam

 

Lol the defense actually looks worse these past 4 weeks than it did in 2011 IMO, as hard as that is to believe.  The defense is so weird right now... they look fuging great one moment, then terrible the next.  It's just when they mess up, they really mess up.

 

Special teams fuging blew in 2011, and they fuging blow now.  Just for the fact of having Gano I'll give 2014 the nod.

[Sapper]

Yes, but they are too.

[CRA]

Yes, but they are too.

I don't think GB is as good. Offensively or defensively. Rodgers is still Rodgers though

[Goondal]

I think that we are better, mostly because Cam and Rivera are better now and Luke is on the team.  We must remember though, Chud > Shula.  With this game likely to be a shootout that is important.

[cbully]

i think they are worse... we have improved in spite of injures