Over the last 3 weeks, Mike Shula's offense has averaged less points...

[BuffaloBills62]

OCs are almost always overly criticized and scapegoated by fanbases

 

I understand, and it is very frustrating.  I have lost a lot of confidence in Cam Newton over the season.  I finally bought in to him some last year and this year my initial judgements have been proven.  He is an elite football player with unlimited potential with a skillset unmatched by almost any in the game who is unable to understand the fundamentals of the game at a much lower level while being unable to comprehend the complexities and nuances of a professional game while reaching this point by simply succeeding on raw natural talent.  Further, his emotional maturity and demeanor, as well as all perceived personality traits do not allow him to understand not acknowledge his shortcomings or his own flaws.  Sadly, this is not something you simply grow out of at a further point in age and maturity.

 

He is like a wild bull and not meant to be broken.  All that talent, all that power, all that ability but there is not just no way to control it. 

[Peppers90 NC]

we have had a ton of missed opportunities(yea i hate those two words together too but it's true) as far as either dropped passes, bad passes or bad decisions and missed blocks. yea there were also some calls that we saw coming that we prayed wouldnt happen bu do anyway, not dismissing shula's involvement.we know of the drops especially from KB, but you can go back and look at plays where receivers had their guy beat or were in good position to make a much easier play than the ones that were forced.

[teeray]

I understand, and it is very frustrating. I have lost a lot of confidence in Cam Newton over the season. I finally bought in to him some last year and this year my initial judgements have been proven. He is an elite football player with unlimited potential with a skillset unmatched by almost any in the game who is unable to understand the fundamentals of the game at a much lower level while being unable to comprehend the complexities and nuances of a professional game while reaching this point by simply succeeding on raw natural talent. Further, his emotional maturity and demeanor, as well as all perceived personality traits do not allow him to understand not acknowledge his shortcomings or his own flaws. Sadly, this is not something you simply grow out of at a further point in age and maturity.

He is like a wild bull and not meant to be broken. All that talent, all that power, all that ability but there is not just no way to control it.

I disagree with everything after the first sentence.

[BuffaloBills62]

I disagree with everything after the first sentence.

 

Interested to hear why.  I don't want to believe it but its all I see.  He'll throw an INT and then show no emotion but being sad for a few minutes.  Then come back in and make the same mistake.

 

It's not at all on Cam.  There have been several other flawed athletes to play sports.  I'm not saying he cannot overcome this and succeed...but that he will have a harder time overcoming this then people want to believe.  He will still win a Super Bowl or two.

[CRA]

I miss Tolbert far more than I hate Shula. As I am sure the offense does as well? Tolbert is the keystone of our offense. He doesn't get enough credit for the role he plays. And it seems most don't even realize his absence. He is an enormous piece of the puzzle. 3rd and short + goaline situations is where he truly lived. His ability to block from the backfield and convert dump passes into 15 yard gains is simply irreplaceable. Especially in mid season. Point blank, everybody looks better when he's healthy and playing. And the playbook is far more open with him out there.

No hole for his fat body this year. He didn't look good before injury this year

[CRA]

Good coordinators design plays to make up for the lack of talent on their team. Any guy can sit up there and call plays, but if you know your offensive line is crap then put your QB in better situations.

No. Good coordinators can't scheme around huge talent discrepancies against opponents with good talent and coaching at this level.

There is no scheme or gameplan for success when you have the OL Shula did last week. Shula was suppose to fail.

You can scheme around a player or two. We you bring nothing to a 3 hr fight....your OC has no shot

[teeray]

Interested to hear why. I don't want to believe it but its all I see. He'll throw an INT and then show no emotion but being sad for a few minutes. Then come back in and make the same mistake.

It's not at all on Cam. There have been several other flawed athletes to play sports. I'm not saying he cannot overcome this and succeed...but that he will have a harder time overcoming this then people want to believe. He will still win a Super Bowl or two.

When he shows emotions he gets flamed for it. The coaches have been teaching him to just move on to the next play.

[panthers55]

How much more evidence do you need to understand that Shula is terrible? He's about as worse as it can get. It can't get much worse. I'm sure 3 minds collectively could at least be a little bit better.

You have no room to talk about credibility after hanging onto Delhomme's, Fox's, Henning's, Turdovac's nuts for so long.

How about some real evidence instead of the relative rankings you suggest is hard evidence which would be laughed out of a middle school stat class.

As for credibility consider Fox has been our best coach so far, turgovac the best defensive coach and Delhomme the best quarterback who actually won playoff games and took us to the playoffs several times.

But then again let's ignore the facts like usual and give it the old eyeball test and opinions with no basis to back it up like usual. You just keep showing your lack of knowledge with each post.

[BuffaloBills62]

When he shows emotions he gets flamed for it. The coaches have been teaching him to just move on to the next play.

I will back off of my analysis and take a fresh look, I think this Monday night.  It will be a good time to see the player he is, prime time stage, a good team but shaky.  I think Carolina could come out and really do something special Monday night to reignite some of that preseason mojo.

 

However, I just don't see him as capable to learn that, to mature to that point.  Not yet, at least.  He is, still, very young.

[rmoneyg35]

So your saying Clausen>Newton?

[CelticCat]

But who was the D getting 3 and outs and makng a short field?!?!

 

lol 

 

Or you could look at it like which O put the D in bad situations. Which had the most turnovers? How many pick 6's did Cam throw under Chud compared to Shula? Cam actually improved as a passer under Shula.

 

Chud went on to become the HC of the Browns, abandoned the run game and got promptly fired. The Browns are now winning thanks to refocusing on the run game. And for the record it was the strong run game in 2011 that scewed the Panthers offensive ranking. We were only an average passing team under Chud, which I'll admit is better than where we now stand but that is largely based on philosophy and talent.

 

I get that Shula is conservative and not everybodys cup of tea but the talent level simply isn't good enough on O today. Too many UDFA's and over the hill players and the guys with talent are all fighting for the same spot (RB) and none of them can stay healthy enough to develop any kind of rhythm.

[Billy Love]

And 90% of the huddle posters are college students who never played football and have no idea what they are talking about. Unless you know what play was called and what should have happened or what adjustments pre and post snap should have been made you have no idea what was supposed to happen simply what did. That gives you little awareness of any of the factors you mentioned. How many times did Shula call one play but Newton audibeled to something else.. You dont have a clue. Like most of the huddle it doesn't stop you from being an armchair expert..

I must disagree with you here. Let's just look at our last game against NO, no need to go back any further...but if we must, we can. 3rd and long, Shula calls for a run between the tackles...really? For one we don have tackles...and two we had not been successful at all running the ball in the box. I realize this is just one senario of poor play calling...but it's not just one play, or one game it's a trend. Shula in not the OC that the panthers can be successful with consistently...consistent is the name of the game.

[Billy Love]

Shula is actually a genius, bad playcalling has been on purpose, and it will throw teams off in the last season stretch. Now he will open the offensive playbook, and cut Cam loose, we are playoff bound my friends.

Hehehehehehe....they'll never see it coming! Genius!

[Semaj]

We need to trade for Lafell and our problems will be fixed