Boykin to Visit per Rapoport

[Growl]

this draft class is deep at WR. (From what I jnderstand) And I would be very surprised if DG DOESNT find some good talent.

So, when you consider all the other areas we are weak as well, we can take this mean that Gettleman's plan is to go 7 for 7 on this year's picks.

I feel like there's a modicum of risk involved there

[Growl]

Did y'all honestly think we were gonna get a tier one receiver?

We were actually more expecting someone who falls into the "Had More Than Three Catches" tier.

[Proudiddy]

See I'm fine with your argument but the fact that you are pointing this out is making those 4-10 or so posters feel as loud as they want to be. We need speed and quickness. I made a whole thread about that last year and got blasted.

The thing is like I mentioned earlier, we've got a smart yet frugal GM who clearly has a dividing line between paying too much to fill versus back-filling in preparation for the draft. As a fan, it can be super frustrating but let's wait a little longer before giving this black & white approach to the offseason.

Can you clarify the first paragraph?

Are you saying it validates them in some way? To be clear, I was saying the receivers were the worst in the league, therefore, Cam had nothing to throw to.

And it's fine to be frugal, but there's a difference between being frugal and just being dumb. Like I pointed out earlier, Eddie Royal isn't going to cost more than 5 per, I'm guessing... Gentleman is the one that said you address areas of need in FA and then you fill the holes with the draft. He also said we need speed and would address that. And here we are, one day in, and Voth, who has been as accurate as any reporter out there, is saying we're essentially done with receiver.

That's why people are pissed. WR has been neglected since we drafted Steve Smith... I don't count colbert or Jarrett because they were second round pick with a lot of question marks... The point being, we should've either signed a bookend or used our first round pick on a tremendously talented guy instead, but we never did, and I doubt we change that this year.

[top dawg]

I am thinking of 4 Huddlers right off the top of my head...but in the interest of not getting banned, I declined to be more specific.

 

But all you need to do is go back to September-November (sometimes as early as the preseason, and as late as January when we are in the playoffs) of any of the the proceeding years, and look at any of the 1000 threads critical of either of offense or newton, and then see who is creating said thread.

 

They are the same posters in this every thread preaching "we don't really need to be making any moves..." these were the same posters who last year around this time, claimed that Underwood and King was sufficient for Newton then in the Steelers game complained about Newton not being able to move the ball and keep up with Big Ben in the second half.

 

This an annual occurrence on the Huddle.  

 

No one is going to ban you for pointing out inconsistency and hypocrisy.  The record speaks for itself.

[NcPsa10]

Can you clarify the first paragraph?

Are you saying it validates them in some way? To be clear, I was saying the receivers were the worst in the league, therefore, Cam had nothing to throw to.

And it's fine to be frugal, but there's a difference between being frugal and just being dumb. Like I pointed out earlier, Eddie Royal isn't going to cost more than 5 per, I'm guessing... Gentleman is the one that said you address areas of need in FA and then you fill the holes with the draft. He also said we need speed and would address that. And here we are, one day in, and Voth, who has been as accurate as any reporter out there, is saying we're essentially done with receiver.

That's why people are pissed. WR has been neglected since we drafted Steve Smith... I don't count colbert or Jarrett because they were second round pick with a lot of question marks... The point being, we should've either signed a bookend or used our first round pick on a tremendously talented guy instead, but we never did, and I doubt we change that this year.

WR Eddie Royal will be signing with The Chicago Bears. He loves Jay Cutler

[mcdougal]

No one is going to ban you for pointing out inconsistency and hypocrisy.  The record speaks for itself.

 

No. Trust me, it will.

 

Once I start, a whole sh*t storm is likely to ensue. Safe to say they post here often and 2 of them have very, very high post counts. 

[Paintballr]

Can you clarify the first paragraph?

Are you saying it validates them in some way? To be clear, I was saying the receivers were the worst in the league, therefore, Cam had nothing to throw to.

And it's fine to be frugal, but there's a difference between being frugal and just being dumb. Like I pointed out earlier, Eddie Royal isn't going to cost more than 5 per, I'm guessing... Gentleman is the one that said you address areas of need in FA and then you fill the holes with the draft. He also said we need speed and would address that. And here we are, one day in, and Voth, who has been as accurate as any reporter out there, is saying we're essentially done with receiver.

That's why people are pissed. WR has been neglected since we drafted Steve Smith... I don't count colbert or Jarrett because they were second round pick with a lot of question marks... The point being, we should've either signed a bookend or used our first round pick on a tremendously talented guy instead, but we never did, and I doubt we change that this year.

5 mill a year for Eddie Royal is way to much and I'm a Hokie Homer. We need an upgrade at WR. It clear and has been clear since we had Moose and Smith play together. What if we draft a WR in round 1 or 2? People on here will celebrate and call it a victory but yet cam still has the same quality of protection last year. Its day one of FA. We didnt sign anyone on day one last year, and honestly I can't remember the last time, even when Hurney was here with Cap space we signed a big splash at WR. Keyshawn is the last one and that was a one year rental with my last memory of him was taking a flea flicker and throwing a INT in the end zone against the cow boys.

Name someone the last 3-4 years that was a day one FA WR that got paid big money and has earned it and the team hasnt had buyers remorse. I bet we aren't done with WR unless the team is really high on Corey Brown and KB.

Last year at this time we didn't even know who Norwell or Brown was yet we found them brought them in and expect them to contribute day one this year. That's a sign of a team that is building something.

[michaelj]

If Boykin is a possession wr then I wouldn't want to sign him we have enough of those types on the roster and can use more speed on the roster.

[mcdougal]

KB is a glorified Plaxico with less consistent hands right now.

We need speed, preferably with size and hands. Ginn only has one of those traits. He is not the answer. We need a #2 and likely an established #3. That's where interviewing Boykin is incendiary. It's insulting. People are tired of being jerked around and having our time wasted. Barely making the playoffs each year isn't good enough. We want a superbowl. The defense is in really good shape,so we should be addressing weaknesses while maintaining that, and we're not.

It's really simple... If Boykin and other receivers of his similar lack of ability are the only guys signed, let's revisit this thread in October or November and see what is over reactive.

We went through the same thing last year. I promise you, it may be slightly exaggerated but not by much... If I wasn't on my phone I would pull up the cotchery thread from last year and show you. The vast majority that were being level-headed and excited at that big pickup last off season were collectively losing their poo and questioning if cam should be benched in favor of DA because he was eating grass as soon as the ball was snapped.

The same people each year are saying, "calm down, their professionals. They get paid for a reason. Go play Madden,crybabies,"and only less than a handful are still riding that wave when guys like cotch are stopping on routes and tipping ints up into defenders arms while making our franchise QB look like poo.

[davos]

Can you clarify the first paragraph?

Are you saying it validates them in some way? To be clear, I was saying the receivers were the worst in the league, therefore, Cam had nothing to throw to.

And it's fine to be frugal, but there's a difference between being frugal and just being dumb. Like I pointed out earlier, Eddie Royal isn't going to cost more than 5 per, I'm guessing... Gentleman is the one that said you address areas of need in FA and then you fill the holes with the draft. He also said we need speed and would address that. And here we are, one day in, and Voth, who has been as accurate as any reporter out there, is saying we're essentially done with receiver.

That's why people are pissed. WR has been neglected since we drafted Steve Smith... I don't count colbert or Jarrett because they were second round pick with a lot of question marks... The point being, we should've either signed a bookend or used our first round pick on a tremendously talented guy instead, but we never did, and I doubt we change that this year.

 

To clarify the first paragraph: The ratio of people content with no splash versus those actually expecting these signings to be something special is like 30:1.  Just temper yourself with your generalizations is all I'm saying. 

 

Also, this mid tier market you're referring to is the tricky one in the FA.  We don't really know the bidding game going on about these guys.  People were expecting Derrick Newton, Searcy, Parnell to at least be reasonable and look what happened. 

 

So, when we don't get one of these perceived mid-tiers, it begs these questions and frustration when in reality, GMs look to find that point where maybe they don't want to invest a certain amount versus rather waiting it out for the next opportunity.  There's always that point, it just varies GM to GM and DG very much so seems to trust his own instincts with identify incoming NFL talent.     

 

Royal was who I wanted and I've mentioned that a handful of times...but he's been signed Chicago so I'm not going to fret over that.

 

And notice what he's said: "address areas of need in the FA" and "fill holes through the draft"

 

That doesn't guarantee the free agency signings are filling our holes, rather addressing areas of need. 

 

[Proudiddy]

5 mill a year for Eddie Royal is way to much and I'm a Hokie Homer. We need an upgrade at WR. It clear and has been clear since we had Moose and Smith play together. What if we draft a WR in round 1 or 2? People on here will celebrate and call it a victory but yet cam still has the same quality of protection last year. Its day one of FA. We didnt sign anyone on day one last year, and honestly I can't remember the last time, even when Hurney was here with Cap space we signed a big splash at WR. Keyshawn is the last one and that was a one year rental with my last memory of him was taking a flea flicker and throwing a INT in the end zone against the cow boys.

Name someone the last 3-4 years that was a day one FA WR that got paid big money and has earned it and the team hasnt had buyers remorse. I bet we aren't done with WR unless the team is really high on Corey Brown and KB.

Last year at this time we didn't even know who Norwell or Brown was yet we found them brought them in and expect them to contribute day one this year. That's a sign of a team that is building something.

I was saying 5 mil as the highest possible salary... I doubt he gets that, I think 3 mil per sounds fair.

But the point remains... It's not about any one thing here, PB. It's all of the factors combined. Boykin is slow, we need speed. Boykin is a guy that will be available late in the FA game, and we have him set up for a visit on the first day. Gettleman said we would address WR through FA so that were not drafting based on need, now Voth is reporting that we're basically done with WR in FA.

That is why this is so frustrating.

Same poo, different year.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Going over Boykin's stats,

One thing that caught my eye is that last year he had 4 tackles and 4 forced fumbles. He must be a hell of a special teams player.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Going over Boykin's stats,

One thing that caught my eye is that last year he had 4 tackles and 4 forced fumbles. He must be a hell of a special teams player.

 

 

Good find. And that may explain our plan for him, since DeHaven said he wants special teams aces. 

[Paintballr]

I was saying 5 mil as the highest possible salary... I doubt he gets that, I think 3 mil per sounds fair.

But the point remains... It's not about any one thing here, PB. It's all of the factors combined. Boykin is slow, we need speed. Boykin is a guy that will be available late in the FA game, and we have him set up for a visit on the first day. Gettleman said we would address WR through FA so that were not drafting based on need, now Voth is reporting that we're basically done with WR in FA.

That is why this is so frustrating.

Same poo, different year.

I understand what your saying and I know people hold Voth in high regard but I can't imagine the team not adding any more talent or competition at WR. Its the first day, we had already signed (technically) 4 players before today. Dave seems to have a plan and knows what he wants. At this point I have to kinda go with it. It has gotten excitement from the fan base we've never seen since early 2000's and back to back playoff births.

Just an example but the Patriots signed one guy today. One. Some WR I've never heard of from Miami. Yet they might lose out on their best CB.

Eddie Royal or a player like him isn't the answer. People complained about Boykin's year's, Eddie hasnt out produced his rookie year since entering the leauge in 2008 and averages 500 yards a year, that's what we got out of Cotch. Id rather us find players who fit what we are aiming for than force a round peg in a square hole. I can't imagine us really breaking the bank on a FA WR unless we are one piece from a super bowl. Right now Oline is a bigger need