Moving away from the read-option

[Mr. Scot]

You don't draft a running QB, pay him 100 mill and then tell him not to run when you publicly state it's one of his strengths. 

What you actually don't do is pay an NFL franchise quarterback a hundred million dollars and then send him out to run a college offense that puts him at more risk.

The threat of Newton running will still be there, but I believe you'll see fewer designed runs than in the past. And the read-option will still be in the playbook, but as an occasional thing, not a staple of the offense.

[pstall]

The line looks better and will look better but that's because the defense is dropping in coverage.

Why rush a team with bad wr's and a mobie qb?

[Chaos]

So we won't be running the read option on every play.  Got it, thanks Riverboat. 

[Panthro]

You put your players in a position to utilize their strengths and game plan around them. 

 

We might as well start Derek Anderson

[csx]

AND if I was coaching the team, I wouldn't answer any questions with any information that in any way may benefit our opponents at any time.  o_O

Jeremy needs to offer a class on coachspeak. Many on here would benefit greatly from taking it. 

I think the key in this situation is to seperate what the coach actually said from what the writer elaborated with.  You might believe we should move farther away from the option and you might think Rivera did mean that. However, Rivera absolutely did not say that.

[iamhubby1]

Makes sense...

 

we probably will line up in boring power run sets and do little in them like them on our way to a 2-5 start.  Then they abandon it and let Cam be Cam running heavier shotgun and zone read looks late in the year (lots of no huddle) and we have our standard late surge...

 

 

Oh ye of little faith.

 

I don't believe it to be a Coinky dinky that the quickest way to get Cam out of a funk is? What for it. That's right. It's to run the No Huddle. Everyone sees it. Everyone, hopefully, knows it. Now, let us not lose sight of the fact that Cam is fully capable of running his Offense through the huddle. But, those times when he needs a little giddy upper. Just pull out the ol' No Huddle and away we go.

 

Cam still runs those Read Options. He also doesn't "Run" with the ball very often. By that I mean to tell ya. If the run is there, he gives it up. If the run ain't there, Cam looks to pass. Yuppers. It's twue. It's twue. Look for the quick hitter, or take a step back and go through your progressions. Oh, he Will look to run, but only if it's wide open, and only when we need a spark. But if you watch him, you just may notice, he doesn't "Run" as much as your memory told you.

If the OL is better - which I believe it is - and the backfield is better - which I believe it is minus Williams / plus a healthy Stewart and the new additions - then I believe a traditional Coryell style power run attack can work.

Mind you, don't take that to mean I have confidence in Shula, but I much prefer the scheme.

 

Pretty much what we do. Power run, with a sprinkling of the Read Option. Play action works well for us because we can do both. LBers have to wait that little bit, which is all you can ask for.

 

My only real complaint about Shula is his, for lack of a better phrase, lack of use of the crossing route. Especially off play action. We seem to have enough speed in Ginn Jr. and Corey. Throw in Byrd, Boykin, or Todman. Hellz, even Stewy is quick enough to utilize it. Get your quick guys on the crossing routes, and watch Olsen have a career year. Nothing a LBer hates more than worrying about some snaky little WR sneaking through his hole. Get him worried over that, and he forgets about Greg for just a little too long.

 

Oh well. Maybe dreams do come true.

Need to use it more in the red zone IMO. 

Absofuginglutely. Throw in the option to pass. That my friend could be a nightmare to prepare for.

 

I love the way Cam runs the Read Option. Now. He has just gotten better at knowing when his lane is closed. He seems to be giving the ball up at lot more, instead of trying to make something out of nothing. Especially now that they pass out of it. Cam just seems so much more comfortable. Until he gets that urge. Sometimes he just feels he has to take over. Those are the times he keeps it too much. And those moments are best left for Cam. Cuz that's where he shines.

 

Kinda got carried away. Oops. But yea, the Read Option is the Red Zone should be a staple.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

I love the way Cam runs the Read Option. Now. He has just gotten better at knowing when his lane is closed. He seems to be giving the ball up at lot more, instead of trying to make something out of nothing. Especially now that they pass out of it. Cam just seems so much more comfortable. Until he gets that urge. Sometimes he just feels he has to take over. Those are the times he keeps it too much. And those moments are best left for Cam. Cuz that's where he shines.

Kinda got carried away. Oops. But yea, the Read Option is the Red Zone should be a staple.

I could live with that.

But you realize, of course, that the red zone is where Shula does his worst play calling?

He can be a perfectly competent OC right up till you get inside that 20, but then It's like a switch gets flipped and...ugh!

 

[iamhubby1]

I could live with that.

But you realize, of course, that the red zone is where Shula does his worst play calling?

He can be a perfectly competent OC right up till you get inside that 20, but then It's like a switch gets flipped and...ugh!

 

Ain't that the truth. Sadly, he does seem to get confused in the Red Zone. It's does get on my nerves as well. March down the field, hit the Red Zone, sputter and stall. Frustrating to be sure.

 

Maybe we get lucky this year, and Cam will be in the no huddle calling his own plays. Sure, that's the ticket.

[thefuzz]

Good to hear.  Cam needs to be forced to learn the nuances of the professional passing game.

We just locked him up for a long time, for a lot of money.  We will need for him to become a complete passer, or we will continue to struggle in the playoffs.

[CRA]

Good to hear.  Cam needs to be forced to learn the nuances of the professional passing game.

We just locked him up for a long time, for a lot of money.  We will need for him to become a complete passer, or we will continue to struggle in the playoffs.

if we wanted a strict pocket passer who only scrambles when things breakdown we shouldn't of drafted Cam...

You draft him and use his unique ability.  

You try to turn him into something else and you just get a meh player IMO

[thefuzz]

if we wanted a strict pocket passer who only scrambles when things breakdown we shouldn't of drafted Cam...

You draft him and use his unique ability.  

You try to turn him into something else and you just get a meh player IMO

I understand, however, we are paying him to win, and to win consistently for a long time....that means you have to thrive from the pocket.

If Cam ever really picks up the nuances of QB play, he will be almost impossible to stop, but as of now....he can be stopped.  Let's refine him, not allow him to do as so many "running QB's" have done in the past.

[Mojo]

The coaches need to just do what actually works.  If that's read option, then use it.  If that's a hail mary, use it.  Whatever works should be the determining factor.  Sometimes I feel like our offensive gameplan doesn't exploit the weaknesses of our opponent enough.  Too many times the past couple of seasons I feel like arbitrary decisions were made as opposed to just sticking with what works .

[CRA]

I understand, however, we are paying him to win, and to win consistently for a long time....that means you have to thrive from the pocket.

If Cam ever really picks up the nuances of QB play, he will be almost impossible to stop, but as of now....he can be stopped.  Let's refine him, not allow him to do as so many "running QB's" have done in the past.

idk, means you just have to thrive....people want him to but X.  The fact he doesn't fit X is what makes him unique, special and is the mismatch. 

Helps for the nuances to show when you have solid OL, skilled WR and your rush game can actually pose a threat on it's own....

We can't even give him traditional threat to play action off of (he has to help them) and his recieving targets even when improved by Carolina standards are weak year after year...so you want him to be something we don't even put him in a position talent wise for yet want the play calls of IMO.  

Talent and coaching IMO have slowed his growth....not him.  That's just may belief.  

[Mr. Scot]

if we wanted a strict pocket passer who only scrambles when things breakdown we shouldn't of drafted Cam...

You draft him and use his unique ability.  

You try to turn him into something else and you just get a meh player IMO

You don't think Newton is capable of being primarily a passer?

Gimmick quarterbacks don't win Super Bowls. Making him a pocket passer first doesn't negate his run threat. It sets him up for pro success while keeping him healthy. And the run threat is still there, just not as his primary focus.

I've seen enough of Newton to believe he can accomplish this. Do you disagree?