Dave Gettleman: "We need more speed on the field"

[bandu]

4 hours ago, Haplo E said:

It's nothing about KB, it's just the franchise not having or even close to having a franchise receiver. Tedd Ginn had 14 catches, about 170 yards with the cardinal last year with the cardinal yet he's our #1 because he's feature. If KB come back and become that guy, the more power to him. And I'm not talking about some catch 3 drop 1 WR.

KB might turn out to become the cream of the.crop from that 14' draft at WR.most experts and even in around Vegas thought this kid was going to be even better this year than last.KB stays healthy next year 1300 yards maybe more

[Cuttinedge]

5 hours ago, juliosantos said:

we need to start tre boston , guy is better than harper , delaire and addison need more playing time . we need more balance on dline we cant have 2 old slown vets in charles johnson and jared allen starting they fit better as rotation guys 

Harper should have been benched weeks ago. And I agree I'd rather see more of Addison and Delaire. But if you think CJs sulking now watch what happens if he's benched. Hell he bitched about not playing the 4th in a 38-0 blowout  and we all know it's cause he was looking to get a few garbage time sacks  

Probably reason RR ain't done it already he knows he will become a cancer in the locker room and we dam sure don't need that at this point of season. 

[TrianglePanther]

18 minutes ago, Haplo E said:

 I know you must be joking. Vikings have Diggs and Wallace. They just don't use them much because of Peterson. Redskins have Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon. Pats have Amendola and Edelman. A franchise WR is someone who catch the Damn ball all the time and rack up a lot of catches. Doesn't exactly have to look like Julio Jones.

Who from the list below is a "franchise wide receiver?"

A. Pierre Garçon

B. Danny Amendola

C. Stefon Diggs

D. Mike Wallace

E. None of the above  

Answer: E. None of the above  

 

[thefuzz]

15 hours ago, Haplo E said:

I know you must be joking. Vikings have Diggs and Wallace. They just don't use them much because of Peterson. Redskins have Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon. Pats have Amendola and Edelman. A franchise WR is someone who catch the Damn ball all the time and rack up a lot of catches. Doesn't exactly have to look like Julio Jones.

I'm not kidding, not one of those players strike fear into defensive coordinators hearts.

The scary ones:

Jones

Bryant

Hopkins

Brown

Robinson

Green

Beckham

 

There is a tier below that, the one that KB is in, and I still don't know what you mean by "franchise" WR's, but if I had a shot at it, those above would fit the bill.

[pantherj]

We already knew Peanut and Harper were slow before the season started. If you wanted more speed you could have drafted for it.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, pantherj said:

We already knew Peanut and Harper were slow before the season started. If you wanted more speed you could have drafted for it.

Name the players, and name who you would take off the roster.

[Paa Langfart]

16 hours ago, bandu said:

KB might turn out to become the cream of the.crop from that 14' draft at WR.most experts and even in around Vegas thought this kid was going to be even better this year than last.KB stays healthy next year 1300 yards maybe more

Nothing against KB but the experts also had the Panthers finishing last in the NFC south didnt they?

[pantherj]

43 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Name the players, and name who you would take off the roster.

I would never build a roster with 33 or 34 year old DBs expected to start. I had no expectation whatsoever that Peanut would be healthy enough start 16 games, or even 8 games this season. I would not have spent a 2nd and 3rd round pick on Funchess, but I'm not a talent scout and maybe the DBs were lacking. I would not have been opposed to doing some reaching for speedy DBs rather than drafting Funchess. FA was another option. If I were a GM I wouldn't have Harper and Peanut starting, but rather there would be younger DBs in their place. Health, lack of speed, it's just not worth it for the experience they bring to put them in starting roles.

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I would never build a roster with 34 or 35 year old DBs expected to start. I had no expectation whatsoever that Peanut would start 16 games, or even 8 games this season. I would not have spent a 2nd and 3rd round pick on Funchess, but I'm not a talent scout and maybe the DBs were lacking. I would not have been opposed to doing some reaching for speedy DBs rather than drafting Funchess. FA was another option. If I were a GM I wouldn't have Harper and Peanut starting, but we're 14-1 so there is not a lot of room to complain.

Again, name the players, what they have done for their respective franchises, or don't make lazy posts.

Funchess is a really good player, that was thrust into a larger role than he should have been this early.  We had one of the very best defenses in the league, until a very underrated slot DB went down in Bene.  You know the player that DG drafted to be the speedy shifty slot corner that could transition outside.....

The issue isn't the DB's entirely, some of this is on their plate, but this is a pass rush issue.  This defense is predicated on getting consistent pressure from the front 4.  When we have to send Luke, Shaq, TD, or a CB to generate pressure....well Atlanta is going to happen, especially when you have veteran, savvy QB's.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

We lose one close game and Huddlers want to blow the roster up.  LOL!

[pantherj]

14 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Again, name the players, what they have done for their respective franchises, or don't make lazy posts.

Funchess is a really good player, that was thrust into a larger role than he should have been this early.  We had one of the very best defenses in the league, until a very underrated slot DB went down in Bene.  You know the player that DG drafted to be the speedy shifty slot corner that could transition outside.....

The issue isn't the DB's entirely, some of this is on their plate, but this is a pass rush issue.  This defense is predicated on getting consistent pressure from the front 4.  When we have to send Luke, Shaq, TD, or a CB to generate pressure....well Atlanta is going to happen, especially when you have veteran, savvy QB's.

 

I feel entitled to make lazy posts. It's fun.

[Navy_football]

8 minutes ago, Haplo E said:

And...

Demaryus Thomas

Fitzgerald

Cooks

Evans

Calvin Johnson

Landry

Amari Cooker

TY Hilton

Brandon Marshal

Alshon Jeffrey

Sammy Watkins

Keenan Allen

Martavius Bryant

 

Those guys catch the ball all the time and at a high volume. They're franchise WRs. Most teams have one.

 

Not to stick my nose in someone else's business, but I have to agree with Haplo on this one. 

Almost every team in the NFL has at least one go to WR. KB was ours, but with him out all season we can't really count him. And if anyone doesn't think Pierre Garcon and Desean Jackson are #1s, then have we ever had an NFL caliber WR outside of Smitty?

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, Haplo E said:

And...

Demaryus Thomas

Fitzgerald

Cooks

Evans

Calvin Johnson

Landry

Amari Cooker

TY Hilton

Brandon Marshal

Alshon Jeffrey

Sammy Watkins

Keenan Allen

Martavius Bryant

 

Those guys catch the ball all the time and at a high volume. They're franchise WRs. Most teams have one.

 

Forgot about Cooper, but none of those other guys are scarier than KB, they just aren't.  We have a no. 1 WR, but just like the Packers, we lost him in the pre season.

I'm not sure what you expect from a rook, but KB is absolutely a good player, and will only get better.

[thefuzz]

14 minutes ago, Haplo E said:

And FFS, are you really trying to say that Cooks, Fitz, CJ, etc....are better now, and you would rather have them on your team than KB?????

What the hell?

I think that you guys get caught up in drops and forget that we don't operate in a WCO.