Positions that need to be filled before the draft.

[thefuzz]

The issue with Boldin, is he would pull catches away from our 2nd year wideout Funch.

Let's see if he is progressing, and if not, then sign someone like Boldin, he could possibly be around through TC.

[KB_fan]

DTs graded 60 or better:

Jesse Williams	60	D    I	25	Seahawks	0	UFA
Clifton Geathers	60	DI	28	Steelers	0	UFA
Jermelle Cudjo	60.2	DI	29	Lions	130	UFA
Jarvis Jenkins	60.3	DI	28	Bears	646	UFA
Cam Thomas	60.8	DI	29	Steelers	201	UFA
Henry Melton	62.2	DI	29	Buccaneers	523	UFA
Kyle Love	63.0	DI	29	Panthers	370	UFA
B.J. Raji	64.1	DI	30	Packers	510	UFA
Red Bryant	65.4	DI	32	Cardinals	135	UFA
Cullen Jenkins	66	DI	35	Giants	750	UFA
Steve McLendon	66.3	DI	30	Steelers	419	UFA
Al Woods	66.5	DI	29	Titans	362	UFA
Antonio D. Smith	66.9	DI	34	Broncos	418	UFA
Da'Quan Bowers	66.9	DI	26	Buccaneers	40	UFA
Mitch Unrein	67.5	DI	29	Bears	388	UFA
Sammie Lee Hill	67.8	DI	29	Titans	190	UFA
Sealver Siliga	68.6	DI	27	Patriots	288	UFA
Pat Sims	69.4	DI	30	Bengals	218	UFA
Stephen Bowen	70.5	DI	32	Jets	141	UFA
Mike Devito	74.2	DI	32	Chiefs	323	UFA
Terrance Knighton	74.3	DI	30	Redskins	408	UFA
Akiem Hicks	76.3	DI	26	Patriots	484	UFA
Kevin Williams	77.7	DI	36	Saints	564	UFA
Nick Fairley	82	DI	28	Rams	427	UFA

[KB_fan]

DEs graded 60 or better:

Larry English	60	ED	30	Buccaneers	0	UFA
Corey Wootton	60	ED	29	Lions	0	UFA
Frank Alexander	60	ED	26	Panthers	0	UFA
Junior Galette	60	ED	28	Redskins	0	UFA
Darryl Tapp	60.4	ED	31	Lions	419	UFA
Andre Branch	62.6	ED	27	Jaguars	616	UFA
Alex Carrington	65.2	ED	29	Bills	174	UFA
Justin Trattou	66.7	ED	28	Vikings	23	UFA
Wallace Gilberry	67.1	ED	31	Bengals	681	UFA
O'Brien Schofield	69	ED	29	Falcons	506	UFA
Lorenzo Alexander	69.4	ED	33	Raiders	44	UFA
Jeremy Mincey	72.9	ED	32	Cowboys	386	UFA
Dwight Freeney	74.2	ED	36	Cardinals	317	UFA
Jason D. Jones	76.6	ED	30	Lions	556	UFA
Aldon Smith	79.7	ED	26	Raiders	530	UFA
Greg Hardy	81.9	ED	28	Cowboys	610	UFA
Robert Ayers	88.5	ED	30	Giants	581	UFA

[Growl]

33 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I know boldin is a popular name but it really would be a good signing.

great hands, great blocker, tough as nails, fights for the ball, physical and a good dude for the locker room. Would def be a cotchery-type signing.

we desperately need an influx of depth talent on the dline. That's probably the most important thing I hope we shore up before the draft. 

Boldin's age aside, id like to see us acquire who can diversify the offense and fulfill a certain niche. We shouldnt be looking to just add another Jerricho Cotchery because Cotchery didn't do much for us. Boldin is pretty samey to what we have. I've been propping up Pharaoh Cooper in the 2nd or 3rd, but I'd be pleased with any similar player.

[KB_fan]

Guards 60 or better.  Also a very thin market.  Me thinks Amini might find a job elsewhere..., he's one of the highest rated guards remaining, and maybe count towards comp picks for us?

Johnnie Troutman	60	G	28	Chargers	0	UFA
Shelley Smith	60	G	29	Dolphins	0	UFA
Tyronne Green	60	G	30	Panthers	0	UFA
Kevin Hughes	60	G	28	Patriots	0	UFA
Vladimir Ducasse	61.3	G	28	Bears	764	UFA
Mike McGlynn	63.2	G	31	Saints	15	UFA
Chris Chester	76	G	33	Falcons	1153	UFA
Amini Silatolu	78.3	G	27	Panthers	246	UFA
Evan Mathis	89.6	G	34	Broncos	950	UFA

[KB_fan]

OTs 60 or better:

Brandon Mosley	60	OT	27	Giants	0	UFA
Ben Ijalana	60	OT	27	Jets	0	UFA
Byron Stingily	60	OT	27	Steelers	0	UFA
Charles Brown	62.5	OT	29	Cowboys	21	UFA
Khalif Barnes	63.1	OT	34	Raiders	118	UFA
Tyler Polumbus	66.9	OT	31	Broncos	156	UFA
Bradley Sowell	67	OT	27	Cardinals	33	UFA
Jake Long	71.3	OT	31	Falcons	11	UFA
Russell Okung	72.1	OT	28	Seahawks	935	UFA
Kelvin Beachum	79.4	OT	27	Steelers	329	UFA
Donald Penn	84,5	OT	33	Raiders	1072	UFA

[KB_fan]

Lastly,  RBs 60 or better:

Bryce Brown	60.6	HB	25	Seahawks	57	UFA
Matt Asiata	64.9	HB	29	Vikings	209	UFA
Robert Turbin	65.6	HB	26	Cowboys	154	UFA
Jordan Todman	65.8	HB	26	Steelers	36	UFA
Jonathan Grimes	65.9	HB	26	Texans	313	UFA
Stevan Ridley	66.5	HB	27	Jets	87	UFA
Ronnie Hillman	67.3	HB	24	Broncos	588	UFA
Steven R. Jackson	68.3	HB	33	Patriots	62	UFA
Alfred Morris	69.7	HB	27	Redskins	414	UFA
Lance Dunbar	71.1	HB	26	Cowboys	91	UFA
Christine Michael	75.1	HB	25	Seahawks	146	UFA
LeGarrette Blount	76	HB	29	Patriots	310	UFA
Tim Hightower	82.4	HB	30	Saints	197	UFA

 

By the way, for those interested, (not that it means much - PFF grades are not always very helpful), it turns out Fozzy grades out slightly higher at PFF than Todman.  Fozzy scored 67.8 to Todman's 65.8.   But at least to the eye test, Todman seemed more explosive to me, but of course, pre-season doesn't count for much.

[Mr. Scot]

Names that interest me:

CB: Nolan Carroll, Casey Hayward, Brandon Boykin, Patrick Robinson. Prince Amukamara is good but seems to have trouble staying healthy.

S: Reggie Nelson and obviously Eric Weddle

DE: Rpbert Ayers might if he'd lower his asking price

DT: primarily Kyle Love

 

[TheRumGone]

19 minutes ago, Growl said:

Boldin's age aside, id like to see us acquire who can diversify the offense and fulfill a certain niche. We shouldnt be looking to just add another Jerricho Cotchery because Cotchery didn't do much for us. Boldin is pretty samey to what we have. I've been propping up Pharaoh Cooper in the 2nd or 3rd, but I'd be pleased with any similar player.

I agree. Doesn't mean we can't add boldin and then draft a receiver with a skill set you're talking about. We literally have four WRs who deal with the dropsies. Betting on a rookie to be that sure handed is playing with fire a bit I think. 

I really am ok with what we have at receiver if we don't get boldin. It would just be nice to get a vet. And boldin fits what we do here.

[KB_fan]

By the way, these PFF free agent lists are not totally complete.  For instance, I just noticed their database does not include Jerricho Cotchery or Roman Harper as free agents for the Panthers.  Probably due to the fact of the voidable contracts which made it seem like they would not be free agents this year...  So, there are probably others out there for each position who also have become free agents due to voided contracts.

Nonetheless, hope those lists are a helpful starting point to dream about who you'd like DG to sign for us.

 

[NcPsa10]

I know it has been said be for and I don't care , Someone will get Greg Hardy at a deal and the more I think about it fk what other people think I would take him back in a hart beat if it was me - I want to win and he would give us a better chance at doing so .  Other teams keep bringing back players that have did wrong as well so why cant we for a change ?-I know I know never going to happen but still.............. C-Love, Quinton Couples,*Robert Ayers -$ , would be a good pick ups 

A veteran wide receiver for leadership or if any of our younger guys go down or anything like that it would be nice to have some one that has  been there b4  Anquan Boldin,James Jones,Mike Wallace?,Andre Johnson , S Eric Weddle,Reggie Nelson,William Moore

.Cb any one of these Cb's would be ok with me Leon Hall,Prince Amukamara,Patrick Robinson,Casey Hayward,Brandon Boykin .

I Know I'm not the Gm/Owner and it will not hurt my feelings if we don't bring any of these guys in ,I trust what Dg is doing it's just a thought that's all.  

[MHS831]

Good thread, Panther4life-

I have mixed emotions about all of these and will explain my reason for hesitation, but to me, DT has to be considered, based on the fact that we need 2.

DT:  We need 2 rotational players.  Yes, the draft is deep, and we should grab one DT in the first 3 rounds, imo.  However, after the third round, you are probably not getting a player ready to contribute on the level we expect here. So, I would grab a free agent DT without a doubt, and then draft one.  This addition will come next week--not a big salary.  Maybe Love.

DE:  I would like a pure RDE, and drafted players tend to take 2-3 years to develop.  I think Johnson and Ealy should both play LDE---we shall see.  However, not unless a pure RDE emerges.  If we sign a RDE (like Allen, for example) are we stunting the growth of Cox, Delaire, and Miley?  So much depends on how we really feel about that developing group.  I tend to think we will not draft DE if we sign a Coples, for example, because we want another year to watch the DE larva develop.

S:  What did we lose when we lost Harper?  Leadership.  What will we gain with Boston or even Marlowe?  Speed for the most part.  Why was Harper (SS) and not Coleman (FS) calling the secondary signals last year (I am not certain about that, but it is what I saw when I paid attention).  If we bring in a Weddle, for example, that tells me that the Coleman is probably moving to SS and maybe Boston back to FS.  It also tells me that we want a veteran leader.  Now, bringing in a S might stunt the development of Boston, who is entering year 3, the make-or-break year.

CB:I think we are in a perfect position to draft a CB to develop for a year behind Norman.   He could play the nickel for a season, gaining experience.   I do not see a need to bring in a veteran in our price range.  I am concerned about Benet's durability.

OT:  There are 2 OTs who could be groomed to take over at LT in time that would be available in the third round or later.  I would draft one.  (The kid from North Dakota St is one, but do not be surprised to see us grab Beavers in the 4th round--hunch). I would not sign another free agent T.

Having said all that, I would say that we will sign 2 key free agents---1.  a DT for sure, 2. either a DE or S.

 

 

 

 

[top dawg]

41 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I agree. Doesn't mean we can't add boldin and then draft a receiver with a skill set you're talking about. We literally have four WRs who deal with the dropsies. Betting on a rookie to be that sure handed is playing with fire a bit I think. 

 I don't think that you necessarily have to bet on a rookie to be sure-handed, some are and some aren't.  Basically, if you are sure-handed I don't think that coming to the NFL is going to make you any less. Once a sure-handed receiver, always a sure-handed receiver, that's why this type of guy should be put at a premium on our list as far as I'm concerned. Now, of course, if we draft a rookie with suspect hands, that may be a problem. I wouldn't add another receiver whose hands we have to hope can be fixed (and that includes a TE). I just wouldn't do it.

To hell with the JUGs machine, we can draft a guy with good hands. The fact of the matter is, the way that Ron (and by extension, G-man) does things, unless a receiver comes in here and "shows out", we won't be "betting" on them or "playing with fire" anyway, as they will be riding the bench until they're up to snuff. KB was an anomaly due to circumstances, not the normal modus operandi for our FO.

[MHS831]

33 minutes ago, NcPsa10 said:

I know it has been said be for and I don't care , Someone will get Greg Hardy at a deal and the more I think about it fk what other people think I would take him back in a hart beat if it was me - I want to win and he would give us a better chance at doing so .  Other teams keep bringing back players that have did wrong as well so why cant we for a change ?-I know I know never going to happen but still..............

Did you read what Jared Allen said about the locker room?  Do you know why Tolbert and Johnson gave us discounts to return?  If Hardy=winning, then how did we win 22 games vs. 10 losses without him?  How did Dallas do last year, especially defensively? 

But that is not why you don't bring him back....

Women are a large part of our fan base. What do you say to them?  Did you see a slew of teammates begging anyone to bring Hardy back?  The one free agent that has a ZERO chance of returning to Carolina is Greg Hardy.  I suggest you adjust your priorities and consider life where you do not covet and endorse people who physically abuse women.

(This is where you defend him because you know more than the legal system or pretend that he didn't buy her silence)