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Norman was not a production of a system

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Where was this system for Cason and Florence? where was the system when Bene was getting burned last season? 

 

No one has All-22 and watches game film? The secondary was built around Norman, Harper was able to play the box and Coleman was able to cheat to the opposite side of Norman which made are our secondary one of the best. But now he's a system player?

Our pass rush was horrendous the first half of the season, we went 11 quarters quarters without a legit sack for a stretch of the season. So how exactly was Norman benefiting from the front 4? We blitzed more last season than any season in the last 5 years and the main reason was cause pass rush was so poor. And when we blitzed we left Norman on a island alone usually with the best receiver.

 

I don't think people understand how hard it is to find a CB of Norman's caliber, pass rushers are a dime of dozen. There about 3 corners in the entire NFL that have lock down ability.

 

The offenses is gonna have to bring it up another notch next season, cause I don't know what this defense is gonna do when we face a top tier offense.

 

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That is why he was a starting caliber CB form the moment he got here.

He didn't start becoming good until he bought into the SYSTEM that we installed.    While Norman is a good CB maybe even a great one.  To say a portion of his success wasn't due to our system is ludicrous.

Remember he was a rebel for about 2 1/2 years of his tenure with the Panthers.

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Great post and I completely agree, this reminds me of when let smItty go and then we drafted KB. Bene is good but I don't think they are counting on him to be a number one corner, boykins role wil be in the slot and its just a one year deal. I'm sure gettleman has a plan, FA is slim pickings so I'm betting on the draft. I'm anxious to see what happens.

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The defense is going to give up a lot of points against the top offensive teams, and it's going to be up to Superman to make this team successful. If he keeps playing at a high level then we can probably have another winning season without Norman.

I'm not going to press the panic button because RR and Gettleman don't even look slightly concerned. They look perfectly content with their decision, and have not said anything indicating regret or worry. So be it. The talent level of this team, which wasn't exactly sky high to begin with, just had a major drop. So buck up Cam. Keep diving into that end zone and make this work. Fly... flllyyy! 

 

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29 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

That is why he was a starting caliber CB form the moment he got here.

He didn't start becoming good until he bought into the SYSTEM that we installed.    While Norman is a good CB maybe even a great one.  To say a portion of his success wasn't due to our system is ludicrous.

Remember he was a rebel for about 2 1/2 years of his tenure with the Panthers.

Of course he wasn't starting caliber when he got here, the transition from college to NFL as a corner back might be the hardest in all of football (not counting QB) so people thinking a rookie can come in a replace him are out of their minds. Plus he was a 5th round pick, he's wasn't gonna start either way.

 

Like I said show/tell me the system that benefited him, cause it sure as hell wasn't our piss poor pass rush. Norman helped the pass rush more than our pass rush helped him.

 

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4 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Of course he wasn't starting caliber when he got here, the transition from college to NFL as a corner back might be the hardest in all of football (not counting QB) so people thinking a rookie can come in a replace him are out of their minds. Plus he was a 5th round pick, he's wasn't gonna start either way.

 

Like I said show/tell me the system that benefited him, cause it sure as hell wasn't our piss poor pass rush. Norman helped the pass rush more than our pass rush helped him.

 

That's debatable. 

His interception against Tampa is a prime example.  Josh knew he had help behind him and was able to jump the route.  If I remember correctly this was one of the videos Panthers.com had on under Self Scout.

Yes, I agree it is one of the more difficult positions to transition from but it wasn't skill that held him back.  It was his stubbornness to adapt to the scheme.   He kept wanting to do what the hell he wanted.  (ie the Buffalo game he lost for us) If he had stayed with his assignment than he would have probably been in position to intercept or at least deflect Johnson's TD catch.

Like I said before.   Top Talent no doubt but a good scheme also contributed to his success.

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Florence played like a top 10 CB, and Cason who is utter garbage and couldn't start for any nfl team had six turnovers in what, ten games? Josh is a lean, athletic zone corner, he is better than Florence and Cason, obviously, but he is not on the level of a Trufant, Peterson, or CH25. 

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There is no system in play here, just good coaching and ultimately excellent execution by Norman once he finally began to listen and gained moe experience.

It's really a testament to Norman, and our coaches. It's a success story of sorts that was destined to end in divorce 

 

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38 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

That's debatable. 

His interception against Tampa is a prime example.  Josh knew he had help behind him and was able to jump the route.  If I remember correctly this was one of the videos Panthers.com had on under Self Scout.

Yes, I agree it is one of the more difficult positions to transition from but it wasn't skill that held him back.  It was his stubbornness to adapt to the scheme.   He kept wanting to do what the hell he wanted.  (ie the Buffalo game he lost for us) If he had stayed with his assignment than he would have probably been in position to intercept or at least deflect Johnson's TD catch.

Like I said before.   Top Talent no doubt but a good scheme also contributed to his success.

Norman is the best in the business at jumping routes and reading the QB eyes.

You bring the bills game as he's the sole purpose when if I remember Luke had PI to keep the drive going and get them in field position

With no pass rush, Norman and the LBs were the scheme

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39 minutes ago, Verge said:

Florence played like a top 10 CB, and Cason who is utter garbage and couldn't start for any nfl team had six turnovers in what, ten games? Josh is a lean, athletic zone corner, he is better than Florence and Cason, obviously, but he is not on the level of a Trufant, Peterson, or CH25. 

Florence top 10 in what universe? He got benched mid season and cut the following

 

Peterson? LOL oh good god. Now Chris Harris you can argue is part of a system, Harris also switches with Talib a lot. Don't make me post the Antonio Brown game.

 

I would take Norman over all them in a heartbeat 

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