Wow: Norman tried firing his agent and signing the tender, but Gettleman had already rescinded

[emhoward]

I think Gettleman made the wrong decision, we'll see, time will tell. But I also think that DG is the best GM in football. No one bats .1000.

[TheRumGone]

10 minutes ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Totally agree, my point was that for every Ted Ginn there's been a Tiquan Underwood and for every Mike Mitchell/Kurt Coleman there's been a Thomas Decoud. He's done a great job, but to say that he hasnt made any mistakes would be foolish

We would have to know who else was out there compared to what we got for those cheap one year deals. It's tricky. The hardy tag was the ultimate mistake for the 2014 offseason but I don't really blame DG for that too much. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

We would have to know who else was out there compared to what we got for those cheap one year deals. It's tricky. The hardy tag was the ultimate mistake for the 2014 offseason but I don't really blame DG for that too much. 

if gettleman had just let hardy walk the outrage over this scenario would look like nothing.  the tag made sense at the time.

at least until the incident we're all familiar with happened i mean.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Remove your nose from Josh Norman's scrotum and check back with this thread.

Yep, u mad.  Check other threads.  I've defended Gettleman on this one plenty.

Here, I'll help you...

 

 

Stop acting like a child and taking things to a personal level.  Everything will be okay.

[usmcpanthers]

I didn't read the whole thread. Was this confirmed Josh tried everything to come back? If so I'll eat my crow Cuz I blasted him hard for being greedy.

[rodeo]

If Norman was that desperate to stay here he could have re-signed once he was a free agent.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, rodeo said:

If Norman was that desperate to stay here he could have re-signed once he was a free agent.

Not if Gettleman had already made the decision that he was done with it and had already moved on.

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

if gettleman had just let hardy walk the outrage over this scenario would look like nothing.  the tag made sense at the time.

at least until the incident we're all familiar with happened i mean.

Definitely but I think that tag has played a role in how DG thinks about it now. I know they are completely different circumstances but the money tied up to one player for one year. When we could've spent that 14 mill from Hardy on some adequate OTs or CBs. again it's all a guessing game In the end. I think that front 7 with Hardy would've won us a ton of games even with cam getting pummeled because of Byron and Nate. Don't blame DG for that but I think it affected how he looks at the tag now philosophically.

[rodeo]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Not if Gettleman had already made the decision that he was done with it and had already moved on.

Which there is no evidence to indicate. Norman was signed to a fat contract in like 9 minutes.

[Doc Holiday]

1 minute ago, rodeo said:

If Norman was that desperate to stay here he could have re-signed once he was a free agent.

true, but I would have played hard ball longer with norman, and not of rescinded the tag, basically play here and get paid well for a year or receive neither he would have signed.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, rodeo said:

Which there is no evidence to indicate.

The tone of that Thursday pre-draft presser certainly made it seem like that.  Sure, Gettleman said that no doors had been closed to Josh, but everything else about that presser made it seem obvious that Josh was done as a Panther.

[rodeo]

Just now, Doc Holiday said:

true, but I would have played hard ball longer with norman, and not of rescinded the tag, basically play here and get paid well for a year or receive neither he would have signed.

Yeah but the problem was that Gettleman couldn't play any sort of ball with Norman, he was playing ball with an agent who had no idea what he was doing and wasn't even telling Norman what was going on. Gettleman had no reason to think Norman's agent wasn't representing what his client wanted. From Gettleman's perspective, he had a player who refused to sign the tender and had demanded a trade.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

true, but I would have played hard ball longer with norman, and not of rescinded the tag, basically play here and get paid well for a year or receive neither he would have signed.

On the surface I agree and was thinking the same, but if Gettleman didn't want to go the one year rental route, he pretty much had to pull the tag especially if Josh was offering to sign it.  Once signed, it's a done deal and if the sides were truly that far apart then it was gonna be a one year rental.

In reality, all of this arguing is probably over nothing.  Based on Norman's comments he probably had no idea how bad negotiations had gotten and probably didn't have any indication until the tag was pulled.  Idiot agent screwed his client over and didn't listen to his client's wishes, but at the end of the day he still came out a pretty big winner.  He still gets 50% commission on that monster Redskins deal.  Sucks that a guy can completely botch his job and still get PAID big time.  Is be willing to bet that he had zero input on that Redskins deal.

 

[JawnyBlaze]

37 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Gettleman managed to rebuild our team, get us out of cap hell, WHILE STILL growing into a true playoff contender in just 3 years and people STILL throwing shade at him. People on here never fail to amuse me with their overreactions.

All this is true, and why Gettleman gets the benefit of the doubt from me until one of these bold moves comes back to bite us.  I HATED when he released Smitty, and I still don't think it was in the best interests of the team, but it didn't come back to bite us.  We're sitting pretty in the cap space game, have tons of young talent, and went to the Super Bowl last year.  We have the league MVP locked up for 5 more years, we have one of the top two defensive players in the game locked up, and we have very little to complain about as fans. 

Even if (when) Norman balls out in Washington, this was still not a mistake by Gettleman because it allows us to resign other players we need to without crippling us.  I honestly don't know how Gettleman was going to be able to sign Norman for $11mil a year (if such a thing had been possible) while still being able to retain KK and Star next year and KB the following year, all while remaining in a comfortable cap space situation. 

Bottom line, I hate losing Norman.  I hate losing his skills, his personality, and his attitude.  But if we had kept him, it would have been at the expense of other place(s) on the squad, so it really was pretty much an inevitability.  There doesn't have to be a bad guy here.  Sure as poo ain't Norman, and it sure as poo ain't Gettleman.  The only bad guy here was Norman's idiot agent.