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Cam Newton Is Just A Football Player

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4 minutes ago, Your GFs favorite huddler said:

I think a lot of people specifically fans of the team are tired of hearing Cams name drug through the mud and raked over the coals by ignorant idiots in a football sense so they are allowing that to cloud their judgement on actual important issues because you know as well as I it would be open season on Cam if he stood up and spoke out. That's the burden only he can decide to carry. Although I think you have a portion of the media who would strongly support and stand behind him, but the levels of hatred would reach new heights if he spoke. Having a newborn son and a little girl go take care of I can't blame him for not going all in. I mean this is a guy who has been under a microscope since his sophmore year of college, that has to wear on you no matter How tough you are. I think criticism gets to him more than he lets on. I wouldn't want to be in his position 

I agree. It's damn near open season on him now. But the backlash he received from just saying he's an AA QB was enough. So he's playing the middle like the focus group taught him. He can't win in the media or public opinion. But I do want him to be his true self. When he spoke Wednesday, I heard a lot of Cam but he still held back. I agree too that the criticism gets to him more and that's why he keeps the same close knit crew around him (family and friends). He's in a lose-lose situation and he is aware of that. It sucks. 

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2 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

Cam is entitled to his own opinion, as are you and me. I can listen to him speak and tell you that he has more of an opinion that what he said. He still held back. Why? To appease both sides. I don't care either way, he addressed the issues on both sides. I know a Cam statement from something that was suggested in a focus group. I've been in focus groups before. He's supposed to give very generic statements. 

Anyone with half a brain and knows anything about Cam knows that he will not throw this organization under the bus because just doesn't operate like that. 

Sorry, not sorry, if Cam--the big, black face of your team--makes you uncomfortable when he speaks about racial tension. I'm sure you're happy about him playing the middle. Whatever his opinion is, I want it to come from Cam and not Cam plus 5 others. 

I'm not uncomfortable with Newton speaking on whatever he wishes. 

Apparently you're upset if he doesn't say what you want him to say.

And again, the question you keep dodging, when it comes to Newton and the team, why should I take you more seriously than Igo?

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22 minutes ago, mjligon said:

I think he's just smarter than you, honestly.

Haha thats not the answer they want.  They just want Cam on the bandwagon because his voice would be 100x more powerful than that of the benchwarmer in san francisco.  Smart not to take the bait, unlike them he has a job and smart people around him.  

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1 minute ago, fieryprophet said:

What I find irritating is that you view Cam as being shoved into a corner, afraid to speak his "true" mind because it doesn't align with what you feel he should be saying, while I believe based on many, many other instances when he has talked about race that he is overly guarded against ever allowing racism to be a hindrance to how he views the world. You are portraying him as weak and eager-to-please rather than accepting he adamantly wants people to be united and accountable. I think he's being true to himself and the way that he wants to discuss things, and if he chooses to become more outspoken against racial prejudice that it would not be a "change of heart" but just him being more forceful with his words. But as much as it may irritate all the blacks who call him an "Uncle Tom" and such, Cam's temperament is to try and bridge gaps and be very conciliatory, and that's just who he is.

I have said time and time again, I do not mind him being ALM or neutral because I see and respect both sides of the movement. He is backed into a corner. If he says this, they're upset. But if he says that, they're upset. Carolina should have never brought in anyone to help them navigate these talks because you do not get a persons true feelings. Cam did not give us everything Wednesday. I think he's still carefree Cam, doing what he wants but that doesn't change the fact that he is backed into a corner over these issues. I don't think he's weak, I don't think he's an Uncle Tom. I think it's more conflicted than anything. If he becomes more outspoken, good for Cam. It just sucks to see him being handled this way because none of us will ever understand the position he's in. 

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2 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

I agree. It's damn near open season on him now. But the backlash he received from just saying he's an AA QB was enough. So he's playing the middle like the focus group taught him. He can't win in the media or public opinion. But I do want him to be his true self. When he spoke Wednesday, I heard a lot of Cam but he still held back. I agree too that the criticism gets to him more and that's why he keeps the same close knit crew around him (family and friends). He's in a lose-lose situation and he is aware of that. It sucks. 

Again, I don't think if you got Cam in a room alone and talked to him that you'd find he'd say things much different than he does now. Go watch his speeches to high school kids, go look up his articles over the years: he has always been forceful that people need to stop letting the outside world affect their dreams and blaming things other than themselves for where they end up. He was raised from an early age that he controlled his success. Again, think of how he blamed Vince Young's failure on not working hard enough, not racism.

 

Whether Cam is right in how he feels is irrelevant, because that's just how he feels. I don't think people are understanding that this isn't some sort of center-seeking pivot, it's just how he views the world. Even the African-American QB remark got taken out of context, because his emphasis wasn't that he was black, but that he was a QB who did things differently and looked differently, and that cumulatively scared some people. After all, Russell Wilson's black, and nobody talks about him scaring people, because it's not the color, but the mannerisms with the dabbing and excitement (which are silly reasons to be afraid of anyone, but I digress.)

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I really can't wait until we can just focus on football. The same sport that brings people together of all different backgrounds to forget about all of their personal problems and just cheer for the team they love. People are expecting too much from this kid. One side is mad that he hasn't said what they wanted him the said while one side is upset that he mentioned race. He can 't win either way. He is not a political figure. His job is to play football and he does that plus more. If people want change, start at the local level. Contact your local leaders on the city and state level. If you are feeling they are not helping, vote someone in who is willing to listen and make positive strides. Don't look for that in a football player. Cam is his own man and entitled to live his life as he sees it fit. We all have to be accountable about ourselves and we don't have to try to fit into a certain mode to make everyone comfortablr. Thats unfair. Anyway. You folks in Charlotte be safe down there and keep pounding!

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not uncomfortable with Newton speaking on whatever he wishes. 

Apparently you're upset if he doesn't say what you want him to say.

And again, the question you keep dodging, when it comes to Newton and the team, why should I take you more seriously than Igo?

I answered your question. No disrespect to Jeremy, but did he really expect Cam to throw the man that signs his checks under the bus to the media? LOL, no. 

You perosnally may not be uncomfortable, but whites (especially conservative whites) can't handle outspoken, unapologetic blacks. It's makes them extremely uncomfortable. Look at how they reacted to him saying he's an AA QB that scares people. 

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9 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

With all due respect to Igo, I'm going with the guy who made his living covering the team.

And yet you ignore this statement from mid-article.

Newton's camp denies this.

Jones's piece here is largely speculation, and Newton's people deny what he's suggesting.

So are you of all people championing the notion that we should listen more to what someone in the media says about Newton than what Newton says himself?

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1 minute ago, truthjuice said:

I have said time and time again, I do not mind him being ALM or neutral because I see and respect both sides of the movement. He is backed into a corner. If he says this, they're upset. But if he says that, they're upset. Carolina should have never brought in anyone to help them navigate these talks because you do not get a persons true feelings. Cam did not give us everything Wednesday. I think he's still carefree Cam, doing what he wants but that doesn't change the fact that he is backed into a corner over these issues. I don't think he's weak, I don't think he's an Uncle Tom. I think it's more conflicted than anything. If he becomes more outspoken, good for Cam. It just sucks to see him being handled this way because none of us will ever understand the position he's in. 

And again, you are turning Cam into a weak-willed person, saying that he is backed into a corner and afraid to speak his mind. That's extremely derogatory to him and discounts his voice. Sometimes when people don't say much it's because they don't feel as strongly about things in the way people want them to and they would rather be neutral about it. People keep saying Carolina brought in someone to "handle" Cam but that report missed the point that the pollster came in 4 years ago and only to handle the marketing of both Cam and Luke. Again, and I say again, you can go back before Cam was even drafted and find that he has similar thoughts regarding racism in this country to what he is saying now. It's not something new, it's how he has felt all along.

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Not every black Athlete is Ali or Jim Brown when it comes to social issues. Maybe he doesnt have strong outwardly positions. Maybe its as complex and confusing to him as it is to most of us. Why is it only the opinions of superstar players that matter? Why not hang on the words of Joe Webb or Jeremy Cash. The most community involved player of note we have has spoken and nobody hardly noticed.

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