Is Gettleman still "the man"?

[Carl Spackler]

12 minutes ago, pantherj said:

it's beautiful

[Camp Fodder]

9 minutes ago, pantherj said:

This is not one of the more talented teams we've had over the years, so it's bizarre given we have Cam in his prime right now. You would think we would load up to win now, but instead we dumped our most talented defensive player, and hoarded money under the cap. Why? We have a young and healthy Cam right now. Good knees, back, he's ready to roll now. You would think we would be all in on loading up with talent. We're not. We planning for long into the future so we'll have a good cap situation. Well Cam is getting clobbered, and that's just plain scary to watch. It doesn't have to be like that, but when your GM plays it conservative, you're QB is usually at risk.

Because Gettleman doesn't subscribe to Windows. Smdh

 

13 minutes ago, carolinajay said:

The panthers were the #2 seed with Melvin White & Drayton Florence

the panthers were 1 drive away from winning the super bowl with Ted Ginn as a #1 receiver. It's too early to panic.

Even if the panthers miss the playoffs it doesn't take away the great things Gettleman has done here imo.

When u go from 15-1 to missing the playoffs that is a huge problem

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

I think it does because he needs to be held to the same standard as Rivera, Cam, etc.

What more could he have done? In a perfect world he signs 2 elite OT's but good OT's rarely hit free agency. Darryl Williams could've pushed Remmers but he didn't. Josh Norman forced his hand so I don't blame him for that.

What other moves could he have made? Adding another high draft pick WR only to be buried on the depth chart, draft a DE for the hell of it? (that's how McFua was born by the way).

 

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

When u go from 15-1 to missing the playoffs that is a huge problem

I don't think the panthers will miss the playoffs. 6 NFC South games remaining. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

the moves this offseason were head scratchers.....didn't improve in any particular area besides punter, handle the Norman situation almost like the smith situation....spent a first round on a rotational dt at the moment.....drafted 3 corners...given bradberry does look good 

[carolinajay]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

He would have signed the tag. Gettleman rescinded it. It was Gettleman's decision to keep or not to keep Norman here in 2016.

The difference from last year to this year is that the secondary is not capable of bailing out the coaching staff with turnovers like last year. Losing the game changing impact of Norman, Tillman, and Coleman (at FS) with their FF, FR, and INTs is the difference between 3-0 and 1-2.

Bradberry has come close several times, but he has been unable to make those game changing plays.

Those turnovers bailed out the garbage game plans several times last season. Now we have to hope the LBs can double their turn over production from a year ago, or the secondary gets it together and starts making plays. The secondary has 1 game impacting turnover in 3 games. After 3 games last year, the secondary had 4 game impacting turnovers.

The 2015 secondary had 15 INT, 3 TD, 7 FF, and 6 FR.

The 2016 secondary is on pace for 10 INT, 0 TD, 0 FF, and 0 FR.

That has caused a domino effect, which allows the Panthers to play from behind while defenses exploit the OTs and offensive play calling. It also causes the weakness of the DEs to stand out. That secondary needs to get their act together fast and make some plays.

I doubt the LBs, as great as they are, can make up for the loss of production from the secondary while also being the primary pass rushing threat.

Josh Norman would have never been happy under the tag. Gettleman didn't think it was worth it.

To play devil's advocate if the panthers signed Josh Norman to the $75M contract and the panthers are still 1-2 people would still be complaining.

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, mc52beast said:

Just wondering what you guys are thinking about his offseason moves and draft choices... We have very little pass rush, the defense is playing not to lose instead of attacking because of our corners, OT is still a major problem, special teams stink and depth isn't that great.

Today wasn't Gman's fault.  Damn shula!

[jptaylor84]

The basis is he rolled with CJ having something left in the tank and Ealy to produce his SB show on a weekly consistency and as of yet this hasn't happened, it's no coincidence KK hasn't been anywhere near the player he was before the contract dealings (doubled or not) no d-line means our LBs and secondary can only do so much! I actually think our strength of defense being Luke and TD is being taken away by teams with this dink and dunk offense.. Oher and Remmers are easily beaten by speedier shiftier rushers and our receivers cannot run short intermediate routes! They are big bodied guys who can go up for the ball that's about it! Ginn has one play every 2-3 games, we really aren't that good, I keep hearing last year this and that, this league is what have you done for me lately and we look pretty average on offense in all departments! Take away the explosion at the end of last week we looked sluggish against the niners and Seattle have beat up on em this week so I put no stock into what we did against them, if next week it's a similar story at the Falcons then there is a real cause for concern!
What's the answer? We need more speed in the field, I'd like to see Byrd and Ginn together more so, and for all the flack bersin gets from us fans! atleast he's a reliable not flashy option on the short stuff over the middle like cotchery was.. the blueprints to beat us is so simple, speed, tricks, stunts against mostly our tackles and shutdown benji and olsen and we got nothing! Even cam can't save us if there beaten in this way! This game today had an eery SuperBowl performance feel to it. Every teams mantra will be do it like Denver. Blanket the receivers who barely get open anyway and pressure the tackles and we ain't got much to beat teams.


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[stirs]

We have good players, but today for some reason, we could not stick our finger up our asses with both hands.

Horrible execution by the offense except for one drive.  Special teams were not special all day, defense stayed in the locker room at halftime.

Gman was not the issue, coaching and motivation was.  Not a sharp team on the field today

[Don137]

Problem is coaching. The undisciplined play has cost this team twice in three games with bad penalties.That falls on RR. Didn't even look like Shula game planned. Kept Newton in pocket, no quick passes so played right into strength of Vikings which is front seven.

[CPantherKing]

Just now, carolinajay said:

Josh Norman would have never been happy under the tag. Gettleman didn't think it was worth it.

To play devil's advocate if the panthers signed Josh Norman to the $75M contract and the panthers are still 1-2 people would still be complaining.

Rent Norman for a year, leave Coleman at FS, sign Weddle in FA to play SS, sign Russell Okung for OT, draft 2 DEs (Emmanuiel Ogbah/Shilique Calhoun), 1 CB (Brandon Williams), 1 WR (Tajae Sharpe), 1 S (Jayron Kearse), and 1 DT (Michael Pierce).

That is what I wanted, and that, or something similar, could have been done.

The moves in the off season weakened the team. It was 2014 all over again. Now, we need to hope the Panthers figure this out with their personnel problems sometime this season, and that the rest of the NFC South struggles. It appears the Panthers are building this team for future seasons, and not to win now.

[beastson]

1 hour ago, punkpanther said:

The biggest problems are not personnel related . It's all on the coaches . The talent is there . That's all you can ask of the GM.

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Our biggest problem may be coaching related, but as of right now we no have pro-bowl tackles (I could argue no pro-bowl lineman period), no pro-bowl defensive backs, no pro-bowl defensive ends, no pro-bowl RB's this year. The talent is not all there.

[Marguide]

The book is still out on Gettleman. As a contract negociator/cap manager, yes, he has been excellent. But our stars are almost exclusively Hurney guys (posible exception for KK).

Before anyone says that Star and/or KB belong in that category, be honest with yourselves.

[AceBoogie]

5 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Rent Norman for a year, leave Coleman at FS, sign Weddle in FA to play SS, sign Russell Okung for OT, draft 2 DEs (Emmanuiel Ogbah/Shilique Calhoun), 1 CB (Brandon Williams), 1 WR (Tajae Sharpe), 1 S (Jayron Kearse), and 1 DT (Michael Pierce).

That is what I wanted, and that, or something similar, could have been done.

The moves in the off season weakened the team. It was 2014 all over again. Now, we need to hope the Panthers figure this out with their personnel problems sometime this season, and that the rest of the NFC South struggles. It appears the Panthers are building this team for future seasons, and not to win now.

Which is why we never have back to back winning seasons. After every winning season we get worse the next year