For the Panthers now, and Cam's future, Shula has to go

[csx]

We dont have anyone to replace him now.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

One thing that frustrates me till no end as a fan of this team is how we never ever ever make offensive success a priority. Like you can't have both a good defense and a good offense.

Starts at Jerry. 

[AceMan]

I feel like we will do that Dungy/Bucs did with Shula

Allow him to finish the season and not re-sign him (Not sure if his contract ends this year)

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

something to consider is that, if gettleman steps in and forces shula out, there's a good chance that it will set the end of the rivera era in motion.  he will have undermined ron's authority in a very big, very public way and that's very hard if not impossible to undo.  it would be like the final seasons of fox's tenure when things slowly but surely unraveled.

Which is a reason why I don't think it would happen.

Gettleman and Rivera have a good working relationship. I doubt Gettleman wants to jeopardize it.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, csx said:

We dont have anyone to replace him now.

Were this true, it's not a good defense.

usually the next line here is that the panthers don't have anyone with OC experience, which is a dumb argument. 

Every offensive coordinator was a new one once, and there's no straight line of promotion. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

One thing that frustrates me till no end as a fan of this team is how we never ever ever make offensive success a priority. Like you can't have both a good defense and a good offense.

Jerry Richardson has always preferred defensive coaches.

Look back at Gettleman's resume though and you'll find his team's best successes came with offensive coaches (Coughlin, Shanahan).

I think it would be really interesting to see what would happen if Gettleman ran a coaching search.

[CPF4LIFE]

1 minute ago, frash.exe said:

One thing that frustrates me till no end as a fan of this team is how we never ever ever make offensive success a priority. Like you can't have both a good defense and a good offense.

Exactly. Even on offense the strategy is to move the ball slowly and control clock to keep the defense off the field. Our passing game moves the ball to quickly so we go back to the run game to slow the pace which leads to stalled runs and then we are forced to punt. The philosophy is trash and holds the team back. It' like we try so hard not be aggressive and shoot ourselves in the foot.

[csx]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Were this true, it's not a good defense.

usually the next line here is that the panthers don't have anyone with OC experience, which is a dumb argument. 

Every offensive coordinator was a new one once, and there's no straight line of promotion. 

I think that is made more relevent being during the season. Would Skipper or Proehl or Dorsey or Hoener or Matsko be able to transition in a week or 2? 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Were this true, it's not a good defense.

usually the next line here is that the panthers don't have anyone with OC experience, which is a dumb argument. 

Every offensive coordinator was a new one once, and there's no straight line of promotion. 

Pete Hoener was an OC at the college level.

Jim Skipper has been a head coach, though it wasn't in the NFL.

 

[dave-o]

OP was tl;dr but I agree Shula is a joke...   We have zero creativity in our offense unless you consider running the ball up the middle on first down to be a trick play....  

[frash.exe]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Jerry Richardson has always preferred defensive coaches.

Look back at Gettleman's resume though and you'll find his team's best successes came with offensive coaches (Coughlin, Shanahan).

I think it would be really interesting to see what would happen if Gettleman ran a coaching search.

But you can have a head coach that was a defensive coordinator and still have a good offense. You could hire a creative one that knows how to manage a play clock and still have your elite defense. It's just as if there is this staunch refusal from up above.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, frash.exe said:

But you can have a head coach that was a defensive coordinator and still have a good offense. You could hire a creative one that knows how to manage a play clock and still have your elite defense. It's just as if there is this staunch refusal from up above.

If you went by his initial press conference, there was every reason to believe that's the kind of coach Ron Rivera was going to be.

Like I said in the other thread, I'd love to have that guy as our head coach.

The guy that he's turned into since then? Not so fond of him.

[Fox007]

21 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Were this true, it's not a good defense.

usually the next line here is that the panthers don't have anyone with OC experience, which is a dumb argument. 

Every offensive coordinator was a new one once, and there's no straight line of promotion. 

LOL yea the ole "we have no one" is hilarious as well....not only is it not true but if it were true like you said it's still not a valid argument. Two teams have replaced theirs already and one of those teams replaced the OC in their SB winning year....then again the Ravens are a well ran team who tries at least to improve instead of "woe is me we have no one".

I think we would have won the SB too if this were a well ran team...we'd replace Shula, stop running Cam, and profit...the Broncos certainly wouldn't be able to say poo like "yea we knew exactly what they were doing they did the same exact poo lulz"

What sort of mind set allows one to implement the same poo against an all time defense like them knowing what you are going to do doesn't help them tremendously...with a new offensive game plan we beat the Broncos in the SB and even at the half a half intelligent person would have stopped the 10 step dropbacks....

 

[AceBoogie]

31 minutes ago, csx said:

We dont have anyone to replace him now.

Hue will be available next year