Let's have a rational conversation about our GM

[Vinício Grossi]

9 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Elway also fired his head coach and brought someone else in. 

You are comparing a two year tweaking project to the first year after the super bowl loss for us. I don't think that is necessarily applicable yet. If it's the same song and dance next offseason then I think you have a point, but right now the situations aren't comparable. 

In this case I'm comparing the actions, attitudes ... It is clear that Elway sought to strengthen what was already good, while DG did not bother to try.

The error trying to do right, is part of the risk.

The Lack of attempt, that is my point, it's unjustifiable. He did nothing to improve our weaknesses. He only help to get worse.

 

[Benotheking]

5 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Yea because Seahwaks where ahead of the Trend with all pro secondary which DG doesn't value  and the year they won they had beast mode Okung, Carpenter , & Unger which is a pretty good damn OL. Giants had  probably one of the best DE to ever play the game.  

But did they have great book ends OT like you claim you need to win the Superbowl ? We have one of the best interior offense line in the nfl and we have one of the best Lb to every play the game. We had the horses to win that Superbowl. Their was not one panther fan that thought we would lose that Superbowl  even most of the media picked us to win.

[Craig Pruitt]

17 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

One is JAG the other is  turnstile it's upgrade because of how terrible Bell & Chandler where,but for league standard it was lateral move not upgrade. If you want to win SB your gonna have to get spend money on top quality OTs or invest in high draft pick. I think the bigger issue is That DG doesn't value the OT position 

I think there is some truth to that last statement. I believe the G-Man has only drafted one OT during the past 4 off seasons. We took Daryl Williams in the 4th round of the 2015 round. We haven't spent much on the position with FA's. I saw an article earlier this season commenting on the below market value contract Oher has compared to other LT's in the league.

I believe D.Williams was taken to solidify the RT position and was expected to beat out Remmers. He was named as a All Big 12 first team in 2014. On paper it was a good pick. So far he hasn't panned out. Hopefully he will. If he doesn't  Gettleman is going to have to spend a higher pick on the position in the future or pay a FA if he expects to protect Cam and help the run game. With the way the season is going now, if I were coaching the team I'd play him as much as I could to see if has a future with the team.

BTW, does anyone know how Williams graded out in yesterdays game?

[Ricky Spanish]

4 minutes ago, Growl said:

Well age and performance clearly weren't the issue so what you're left with is a miser pinching pennies and flaunting his bravado when the players in question don't bow to his offers.

I disagree. Deangelo got fat and slow after he got paid. There was no doubt in my mind Smitty still had some gas left in the tank, but he was due a good chunk of money in the near future and he wasn't the easiest player to get along with. Norman vaguely threatened to hold out and distract the team. Money was definitely a contributing factor in all the moves but was not the main issue. 

[Ricky Spanish]

4 minutes ago, Vinício Grossi said:

In this case I'm comparing the actions, attitudes ... It is clear that Elway sought to strengthen what was already good, while DG did not bother to try.

The error trying to do right, is part of the risk.

The Lack of attempt, that is my point, it's unjustifiable. He did nothing to improve our weaknesses. He only help to get worse.

 

Fair enough, but we still have next offseason with tons of money. That goes back to one of my points from my first post. The moves he's made (or not made) have not hurt us long term. We are in a position to make positive moves next offseason to fix our issues, wherein years past we were stuck in a shitty situation with no outlet. 

[Benotheking]

7 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Bullchit, good look at the prediction threads from 2015. 

 

yes look it up and post it also post cat scratch reader and other panthers fan forums prediction for the 2015 season

[tiger7_88]

31 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

How about using your first round pick, you know the pick usually that works out for teams the most often in a position we need, instead of bench warmers. 

Remember when everyone wanted to "trade up" and select Cedric Ogbuehi two years ago because OT was a critical position of need?  And the Bengals picked him at #21 in the 1st round (we picked #25)?

Yeah... the Bengals benched Oghuehi's butt yesterday.

P.S. Drafting for "need" is just as much a crap shoot as drafting BPA.

[mc52beast]

What was that Gettleman told us last year;

"I'm not going to let this team take a step back, we will not stand pat".

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Kakarot said:

Really trying not to defend anyone. I just can't stand a bully. Anyways...

Look at you trying to deflect the blame from Gettleman. You're going all over the board trying to change the narrative and have everyone blame Ron. I don't think Ron's a good HC. I've felt that for quite sometime, and wouldn't shed a tear if he was fired. What I can say though, is I highly doubt it was Rons idea to go into the season with 3 rookies starting in the backfield. This is also the same man that wanted to retain Hardy, so I doubt he wanted to let Norman go. You can choose to have most of your blame placed on Ron, but I'm placing it on the man who more than likely gave Ron the players he's having to play now. 

My criticisms of Rivera go back way before Gettleman. And sad to say they haven't changed much.

And here's the thing: I like Rivera. I think he's a phenomenal person. But objectively speaking, he's just not a great head coach. Fantastic DC, but that's a different skill set.

As to this year, there were definitely mistakes made going into this season, but I don't agree with the screaming mob on what they were.

Biggest problem I see right now (besides injuries)? Several vets we counted on returning to their 2015 form haven't done so. Much as I hate to admit it, Thomas Davis is one of them.

That plays into the fact that we were counting on having a pass rush to cover for a young secondary, and it hasn't happened.

Now you can continue just screaming at everybody in charge if you want to, or you can analyze to find where the real problems lie. I choose option two, and what I see is something I saw a while back that I let go of after last year's success.

Unfortunately, it didn't really go away.

[Growl]

4 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I disagree. Deangelo got fat and slow after he got paid. There was no doubt in my mind Smitty still had some gas left in the tank, but he was due a good chunk of money in the near future and he wasn't the easiest player to get along with. Norman vaguely threatened to hold out and distract the team. Money was definitely a contributing factor in all the moves but was not the main issue. 

Sure would be a shame if we were winning right now with players who were "hard to get along with"

[Benotheking]

4 minutes ago, Craig Pruitt said:

I think there is some truth to that last statement. I believe the G-Man has only drafted one OT during the past 4 off seasons. We took Daryl Williams in the 4th round of the 2015 round. We haven't spent much on the position with FA's. I saw an article earlier this season commenting on the below market value contract Oher has compared to other LT's in the league.

I believe D.Williams was taken to solidify the RT position and was expected to beat out Remmers. He was named as a All Big 12 first team in 2014. On paper it was a good pick. So far he hasn't panned out. Hopefully he will. If he doesn't  Gettleman is going to have to spend a higher pick on the position in the future or pay a FA if he expects to protect Cam and help the run game. With the way the season is going now, if I were coaching the team I'd play him as much as I could to see if has a future with the team.

BTW, does anyone know how Williams graded out in yesterdays game?

What ? We was ready to select D.J Humphrises in 2015 then he went 1 pick earlier

[The_Rainmaker]

8 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Ummm... so its an upgrade?  But its not an upgrade?

Is that kind of like "I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'"?

Dude its considered upgrade because of how terrible the other 2 where but for league standard it was not more of a lateral move you know what I'm sayin

[SOJA]

great post OP

[The_Rainmaker]

13 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Ummm... so its an upgrade?  But its not an upgrade?

Is that kind of like "I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'"?

What part do you not understand "league standard"