Not a fan of replay/review on QB hits

[Mr. Scot]

FYI: I fully support the notion of full time refs, and the eight man crew idea as well.

[Inimicus]

My dad and I talk about the notion of reducing the excessive violence in the game at least once a season.  Weve thoght the following changes need to be made.  (Adding the 8th ref cause its a great idea)

Changes to the refs:

• Full Time refs
• 8th Ref

Changes to the rules:

• Increase the "cost" of malicious hits.  A flag on a flagrant hit results in the offender having to leave the game until the change of possession (end of quarter if I was writing the rule).
• Injury reciprocity.  If a player knocks another player out of the game on a play that draws a flag, the flagged player must leave the game until the injured player returns.  If it is a multi-game injury then the flagged player should have the right to appeal to return to the field.

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I'm with you on this. You make it reviewable and Mark Barron isn't leaving his feet and throwing his arm at Cam's head. He and Donald are both shorter than Cam by a few inches and aren't standing straight up coming at him. The only way their is a helmet to helmet contact from the launch. Easiest way to make them tackle like they normally do is replay where they will get penalized.

How many of these plays are there a game? College has it with targeting and they also review any play. Coaches have no flags and it seems to work. Same with baseball except they have a central location with all the feeds. As CRA said, it's stupid that we have technology as it is and can't just make replays happen without a single red flag.

Have a central review area with enough people that like in college they can pause a game for a few seconds to do a quick review.
 

The time factor isn't as much of an issue to me as the notion of finding a true deterrent.

A sack of dog s--t like Aqib Talib and/or a coach like Gregg Williams will always weigh the value of the consequences against what they might accomplish.

Fifteen yard penalty for a chance to take out the other team's quarterback? Worth it.

Piddly fine for a chance to take out the other team's quarterback? Worth it.

Bad reputation for a chance to take out the other team's quarterback? Worth it.

Basically, until you make it so they have more to lose than just what happens now, they're not gonna stop.

The consequence has to have teeth or they'll just laugh and keep going.

[pstall]

Here is my idea on this.

Treat a qb hits or helmet to helmet like yellow and red cards in soccer. First helmet to helmet or targeting, 15 yds and a yellow card type deal for player A. Player A does that again at any point in the game? ANOTHER 15 yards and a red card. He is out the rest of the game AND the next. Case closed. Football and ratings saved as well as Western Civilization. 

Also for replays in general, only allow replay on scores.  Its killed the flow.

[truthjuice]

38 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

Please no replay review on QB hits for fugs sake just get it right live, you are staring right at the fuging play

But obviously they're missing it while looking dead at it. I agree with you, it shouldn't have to come with this but whatever it'll take, do it. 

[pantherclaw]

I don't think reviews will help at all.  

Nothing will change until the refs call games consistently, and they are true consequences to the players making the illegal hits.

[csx]

I understand why reviewing such things is suggested currently. However,  for me  the further complication and game stoppage iso going to make a product I'm losing interest in watching become even less enjoyable to watch. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Fining and Sitting them will have to come after the game.  Should be like the NBA.   One unsportsman like conduct on the house except the fine.   Two gives them a one game suspension and anything after that are multiple game bans.  

A team (more than one player in a game penalized for the same infraction) that targets a QBs head like Denver and L.A. Rams did, should forfeit the game and DC should face serious penalties including year long bans. 

Gregg Williams should be banned for life anyhow.  He is scum of the earth.

[Jeremy Igo]

I am a fan of it mainly as a deterrent. If players know it will be reviewed, it will all but eliminate the intentional head hunting. 

[MurkN]

If it could be reviewed, we'd run out of challenges before halftime, like our timeouts.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I am a fan of it mainly as a deterrent. If players know it will be reviewed, it will all but eliminate the intentional head hunting. 

Disagree there.

Coaches like Gary Kubiak and Jeff Fisher will take a 15 yard penalty for a shot at the QB, and players like Darian Stewart and Mark Barron will accept the assignment.

They've demonstrated numerous times that a personal foul flag is an acceptable risk if they think they can increase the chances of winning the game.

You have to make the consequences tougher to stop people like that.

And to be honest, given how many times the NFL has said that the refs didn't miss any calls - as further evidenced by the hits this past week - I'm not convinced that those plays will be flagged even on review.

[truthjuice]

11 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I don't think reviews will help at all.  

Nothing will change until the refs call games consistently, and they are true consequences to the players making the illegal hits.

The refs need to be fined or have consequences. The players have jobs, and that's to play football. Sure dining and ejecting them is something but they know there'll always be those couple of players who won't get the calls. The refs have a job to officiate the game and they will start doing it right when they start catching fines. 

[DirtyMagic97]

If you really want to curb these sorts of hits, the punishment needs to be pretty severe. Fines are not sufficient. It needs to be similar to the college football targeting replay/ejection rule. Only issue becomes interpreting the rule, because I have watched several college games in which a player was ejected for a hit I firmly believed to not be targeting.

[ThPantherFan]

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I personally don't care to extend the game to review hits

I agree with what you say and sitting them, along with hefty fines, will get their attention.  However, you need to have the review in order to assure fairness.  It shouldn't be the ref on the field that says yes or no.  That should be a ref that has all angles of the infraction at his disposal.  That ref would be off site.