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This game was lost at the end of the 1st half


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When we obviously didn't care whether they scored or not.

Just allowed them to march right down the field and put points on the board.

Now the defense didn't play badly in the 2nd half, so the outcome can't be placed on them.

It CAN, however, be placed on the lack of urgency and lack of killer's instinct in Ron Rivera, Mike Shula, and Sean McDermott.

They want to play and win at football using 1980's tactics in a 21st Century NFL World.

Well, they caught lightning in a bottle one year.  But their overall track record trying to pretend that Jonathan Stewart is Walter Payton and Cam Newton is Jim McMahon is a negative one.

And I think its played out.

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I usually don't do this but for some reason I don't have the same interest as years past, watched my last game of the season today. I am going to spend my Sundays fishing on the beautiful beaches of Vero Beach. I went fishing this morning and rushed home at noon to get ready for the game. No more. Season is done. Cam isnt having fun. I already broke 1 tv with a right cross. Have a good rest of the Season Huddle! We will hopefully be better in 17!

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LOL man said our OL was exposed...our OL has been exposed the whole year WTF you talking about.

It's on the coaches to coach with what you have and go away from your weak areas and try to play to your strength...welp they never do that and you can tell Rivera is philosophy first and nothing 2nd 3rd or 4th...he just goes by what his shitty system says reality be damned.

That's called being so closed minded that you keep doing the same poo that doesn't work over and over and keep hoping against hope that players who have sucked all year will magically do what they should be doing. This is 100% on the coaching staff anyone would take a roster spot if asked regardless of if they should be there or not it's not a persons fault they are still in the game when they shouldn't be.

Tolbert still here lol

Gano lol

Shula lol

SO much fail they keep around it's all on the coach. He has the ability to make this work he but is making the conscience decision to NOT adjust and do what's necessary to win. That sort of blatant stubbornness in the face of reality deserves no remorse and he should be condemned and told what he really is.

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This game was lost when you dont take the safe 3 points at the end of the third.  WHoever made that decision should be drug on asphalt for 3 miles.  Seriously, against a team that can easily turn you over but hasnt got in the endzone its a no brainer.  On the 2 and third down you fuging run it, keep the clock going, and go into the fourth quarter up 17 with the other team demoralized.

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5 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

It's on the coaches to coach with what you have and go away from your weak areas and try to play to your strength...welp they never do that and you can tell Rivera is philosophy first and nothing 2nd 3rd or 4th...he just goes by what his shitty system says reality be damned.

GOT TO HAVE THAT POWER RUN-GAME HERE IN THE GOLDEN 1980'S BAW!!!

Oh... its 2016?

Sh1t.

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13 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Now the defense didn't play badly in the 2nd half, so the outcome can't be placed on them.

Another outlook is the coaches make the offense play defense too in the second half completely taking them out of their attacking mindset.

The offense is not great enough to play ball control defense. This offense was not built for ball control. They are an attacking team that runs on momentum and physically dominates a defense with some big play change ups.

We know what happens when the offense kills the momentum and plays defense on offense. Too many plays means too many opportunities for mistakes.

Seemed like they were trying to protect the defense with the offense. The defense had 3 drives in the 2nd half and gave up 2 scores on 3 drives? This defense needs to be aggressive and make more plays like Peters and Barry did to end the game.

That is what the Panthers secondary was doing last season to win games in the 2nd half. The secondary does nothing in the 2nd half and the LBs are having to come up with a bulk of the game changing plays. The ball laying on the ground after Luke knocked it out, and Worley looked shocked to see it leading to him kicking it out of bounds. They need to expect that ball is going to be on the ground for a turnover - not be surprised by it. Just a lack of awareness.

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Just now, CPantherKing said:

Another outlook is the coaches make the offense play defense too in the second half completely taking them out of their attacking mindset.

The offense is not great enough to play ball control defense. This offense was not built for ball control. They are an attacking team that runs on momentum and physically dominates a defense with some big play change ups.

Oh, absolutely.

This offense was creating magic on that 10-minute drive using the no-huddle.

They get close, what do Ron and Mike do?  

Slow it down.

No gain run, sack, sack...

Done.

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