Offensive Tackles

[uncfan888]

12 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Yea sure because you had access to all the GMs draft board and where they placed Armstead in the pecking order.  ( Just like Bradberry wasn't a big  school name prospect and huddlers where like we can get him in 4th round but nope DG valued his potential & gave him 2nd rd grade.)

You are a

Idiot 

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Idiot 

Idiot 

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@Jeremy Igo...  Please ban this crazy kid already 

[The_Rainmaker]

17 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

@Jeremy Igo...  Please ban this crazy kid already 

For what responding back to someone calling me Idiot first and proving him wrong.  BTW I gave you more than  one name. You should be banned for coming in the thread and instigating :)

 

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Only one of those was drafted in the last two years. Now respond in some smart ass way with big font like an immature child 

 

[Ivan The Awesome]

50 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

One thing is certain, want that oline to get better, drafting a marginal DT and 3 cornerbacks isn't the answer either 

panthers traded a 4th this year for a punter

meanwhile the 100 million dollar QB continues to get the poo beat out of hm 

the panthers can reach for 3 Cbs  do a luxury pick with an unneeded DT and trade for a punter but not a olineman

got it 

 

They did address some through free agency, why do people not realize that the draft isn't the only place to address an issue? The injury bug has played a huge role as well. Also that 4th round punter has played huge dividends until his hammy went to poo. That was a well spent 4th round pick. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

 

They did address some through free agency, why do people not realize that the draft isn't the only place to address an issue? The injury bug has played a huge role as well. Also that 4th round punter has played huge dividends until his hammy went to poo. That was a well spent 4th round pick. 

Our organizational blueprint puts the focus on building through the draft which is why using our first round picks for backup roles is mind boggling.

We didn't do anything in the draft to address weak areas or FA this past year.  All we did this offseason was great new holes and allow weaknesses to become greater ones by staying put on those spots.

in terms of looking at 2016 from where we were at 2015, it was a bad offseason.  Now you could argue it was a big picture offseason but we ain't the Browns and were at the stage to contend 

[thennek]

Well whether the Panthers want to or not, they are going to have to address the offense line this upcoming off-season. With Kahlil having age and injuries starting to creep up, and also not knowing the future of Oher.... they're not going to have a choice...it has to be addressed, and so is DE, safety, and A few other key positions


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[Ivan The Awesome]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Our organizational blueprint puts the focus on building through the draft which is why using our first round picks for backup roles is mind boggling.

We didn't do anything in the draft to address weak areas or FA this past year.  All we did this offseason was great new holes and allow weaknesses to become greater ones by staying put on those spots.

in terms of looking at 2016 from where we were at 2015, it was a bad offseason.  Now you could argue it was a big picture offseason but we ain't the Browns and were at the stage to contend 

That's all good and gravy, I also acknowledge that that is the front office MO. But people make it seem like they didn't try to adjust by going after someone for the O-line. Which is not true.  Yes the draft was spent on the defense but unfortunately the injuries have been way too much. You can't have any type of foresight for that. Even in this business. Look at the MLB position, it was our strongest, and as of now it's hanging by a thread. Its unpredictable. 

 

I'm actually in Draft mode now. I don't have any high expectations for the rest of this season especially with all the injuries. I'm sure Gettleman will address most of the ailments in next years draft. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

There's a lot of flip flopping going on in the FO, say one thing and do another.....


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[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Obviously you don't know football

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, thennek said:

Well whether the Panthers want to or not, they are going to have to address the offense line this upcoming off-season. With Kahlil having age and injuries starting to creep up, and also not knowing the future of Oher.... they're not going to have a choice...it has to be addressed, and so is DE, safety, and A few other key positions


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We this past offseason people said DE and the OL had to be addressed....yet Dave didn't.

we didn't address any except for the one created this offseason 

[The_Rainmaker]

Just now, tiger7_88 said:

[tiger7_88]

2 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

[The_Rainmaker]

12 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

 

 

 

Thats what your football knowledge is worth 

[Saca312]

Let me give you some nice little statistics from a nice little article:

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/24/nfl-draft-combine-offensive-tackles-history

-In the last 10 years, when a tackle was chosen in the top 2 of the draft (there were 5), 0 are currently starter caliber.

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Jake Long (2008) is a backup in Atlanta now after two major knee surgeries. Jason Smith (2009) failed with the Rams, in part because of a severe concussion, and is out of football. Eric Fisher (2013) is improving, but was Pro Football Focus’ 39th-rated tackle last year; Luke Joeckel (2013) continued to struggle in Jacksonville and was rated 52nd. Greg Robinson of the Rams (2014) was 73rd of PFF’s 76 rated tackles last fall.

-Speaking of high pick tackles, only 3 out of 17 were considered all pro out of the top 10 in 10 years of recency.  

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Cleveland’s Joe Thomas and Dallas’ Tyron Smith are the only current starters who have been so honored, while Jake Long earned one first-team nod in Miami.

-Very few, if any, out of college tackles would be able to adjust to the NFL's premiere pass rushers right off the bat.

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Because most colleges are playing pretty simplistic spread schemes in which the linemen don’t have to do much adjusting or reading, the tackles entering the NFL have an adjustment period that’s longer than it used to be.

One team studying tackles last year said the top tackle on their board had, essentially, one man to block on every passing snap—unless that man stunted to a spot two gaps away.

Basically, this tackle had the wide guy on every pass-rush.

Sometimes in the NFL, obviously, it’s not that simple.

-Quick paced offense of the college program calls for very few long developing plays, hindering most tackles from doing too much:

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Endurance and fast-paced play-calling have become staples of the top college tackle; that’s been prioritized in many programs over technique and strength and how to adjust on the fly against a varied rush.

What you saw Wade Phillips and the Broncos do in the post-season was key on the matchups he felt were huge edges for his defense. Can there be any argument that Von Miller versus Carolina right tackle Mike Remmers was the downfall of Carolina in the Super Bowl—and Miller using speed mostly but also power and inside moves? And can there be any argument that Phillips found more than just Miller to wreak havoc on the Patriots in the AFC title game, when the most plodding New England tackles (such as Marcus Cannon) were continually exposed by speed?

 

To put it bluntly, the pass rushers are way ahead of edge protectors (tackles), because of the style of college football is played. 

More tackles these days are busts, and this shows how much of a risk taking a tackle is nowadays.

Putting up your little screenshots and trying to claim the tackles weren't busts is truly terrible basic sourcing and fact checking.

The fact of the matter is more tackles are busts than not, and you've done nothing to help your case.

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

That's all good and gravy, I also acknowledge that that is the front office MO. But people make it seem like they didn't try to adjust by going after someone for the O-line. Which is not true.  Yes the draft was spent on the defense but unfortunately the injuries have been way too much. You can't have any type of foresight for that. Even in this business. Look at the MLB position, it was our strongest, and as of now it's hanging by a thread. Its unpredictable. 

 

I'm actually in Draft mode now. I don't have any high expectations for the rest of this season especially with all the injuries. I'm sure Gettleman will address most of the ailments in next years draft. 

We aren't hanging by a thread at MLB.  We lose the best in the game and have before....but have starter caliber MLB that will step up into the role. 

how are you sure a GM will address our weakness in this draft? He didn't in the last one.