Trai Turner says Michael Oher plans to keep playing

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13 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Cam Robinson is a low 2nd rounder to 3rd rounder at best if he went for last year's draft. There is no OT worth a high pick or one that'll make an immediate impact, whether you like it or not.

I do think Cam goes top 15 (likely top 10), simply due to supply and demand. If he's there when we pick, I doubt G-man reaches for him...No way he's BPA, even if we pick 12th. I would like to see a possible 2nd round LT if the right person drops that far. 

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, top dawg said:

Sounds to me like you're willing to get on the slippery slope of drafting based solely on need. You just can't say based upon raw numbers that there has to be an LT worth drafting at nine or 10 (or round one in general), you have to trust the process. There are hundreds of scouts and analysts whose business is to watch film, work out, and/or grade these players, and Gettleman fancies himself a chief among them. He loves even the notion of acquiring big uglies to boot. If there is one out there at our position in the first worth drafting, he'll likely root him out. But, you can't go overspending which essentially means overplaying your hand based on need in the first round, you have to squarely hit the peg and make your team better. It may look good on its face to draft a guy in the first round based on need, but after the dust settles and you look at what you could have had, or missed on---particularly if the player that you drafted could have been drafted in a later round---then that's when others, and perhaps you yourself, have their genuine WTF moment that legitimately bares itself out over a period of time. 

The thing is that Gettleman drafted for need last year at corner and it worked out for us. That slippery slope wasn't that slippery.  He still should have brought in vets as well but as a draft it was fine and we didn't suffer because there were potentially other folks out there at other positions who were better.

As for trusting all the analysts and draft experts, if they were so great then  why do so many players even in the first round bust every year. Truth is Gettleman for all his big talk hasn't really killed it in the draft.  In the first round I would give Hurney the big edge over Gettleman. Now the whole trading picks to get Otah and Brown was desperation but in the first round he was usually very good.

Gettleman's strength is in pro personnel not the college draft.

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9 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Better for who. We don't need many of those players. Because we are good to go at.many positions like DT it isn't better across the board but better at a position of need and LT is a huge need and has been since Gross left years ago.

While I agree with you're logic (we NEED a long term LT), the BPA when we pick could still address an area of need for us (RB, SS, DE,WR etc.) and be a game changer day 1. Cam is considered the best LT in the draft, and there should be better options for us. By the time we draft in the 2nd, we should still be able to get an upgrade at LT (at least foe 2018, so we still need Oher/FA). I pray to the old gods and the new that we don't use our 1st pick on a DT or LB!  Other than that, I'm all for snatching that instant contributor.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

While I agree with you're logic (we NEED a long term LT), the BPA when we pick could still address an area of need for us (RB, SS, DE,WR etc.) and be a game changer day 1. Cam is considered the best LT in the draft, and there should be better options for us. By the time we draft in the 2nd, we should still be able to get an upgrade at LT (at least foe 2018, so we still need Oher/FA). I pray to the old gods and the new that we don't use our 1st pick on a DT or LB!  Other than that, I'm all for snatching that instant contributor.

Amy draft pick not in the first round will be a project so I wouldn't be starting him. We need a veteran and need to spend some of that 60 million in cap space to acquire them. As for Cam being the best pick, let's wait and see who rises or falls in the next 4 months. It is too early to lock down picks especially ially since some of these needs should be addressed in free agency. Then you can go BPA. Otherwise like last year, Gettleman drafted need not BPA which may play out if we don't sign KK.

 

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, panthers55 said:

There are lots of alts on here. Sometimes it is easy to tell who they are, other times not. I figure I will say what I think and don't need to hide behind an alt or try and be who I'm not. I will get back with you on roots of consciousness it is too deep for 1 in the morning for me.

The recently banned Rainmaker was apparently an alt of this dude.

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https://imgur.com/a/V9jWF#DLYhTXD

PFF grades for every team's OL

[Cary Kollins]

17 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

 Truth is Gettleman for all his big talk hasn't really killed it in the draft.  In the first round I would give Hurney the big edge over Gettleman. Now the whole trading picks to get Otah and Brown was desperation but in the first round he was usually very good.

Gettleman's strength is in pro personnel not the college draft.

 

Hard to compare Hurney vs. Gettleman first round picks when Gettleman has picked 14th, 28th, 25th and 30th.

 

 

[panthers55]

17 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

Hard to compare Hurney vs. Gettleman first round picks when Gettleman has picked 14th, 28th, 25th and 30th.

 

 

Because we all know that picking 14 with Davis versus 25th for Shaq was a huge difference.  I get that Cam at one was a gift but Russell Wilson says you can get a guy outside of the first who is as good as a number 1 pick.  

[pantherclaw]

Glad Oher feels healthy enough, and comfortable enough to return. We'll need him, regardless of how the off season plays out.

[Saca312]

Just now, panthers55 said:

The thing is that Gettleman drafted for need last year at corner and it worked out for us. That slippery slope wasn't that slippery.  He still should have brought in vets as well but as a draft it was fine and we didn't suffer because there were potentially other folks out there at other positions who were better.

As for trusting all the analysts and draft experts, if they were so great then  why do so many players even in the first round bust every year. Truth is Gettleman for all his big talk hasn't really killed it in the draft.  In the first round I would give Hurney the big edge over Gettleman. Now the whole trading picks to get Otah and Brown was desperation but in the first round he was usually very good.

Gettleman's strength is in pro personnel not the college draft.

Here's my take. You're asking us to reach for an OT because you think that's our number 1 need.

You're being blind to a need we desperately need. Have you noticed we only have 1 starter level player at safety? 

Kurt Coleman, bless his heart, has been frantically attempting to play SS while Tre Boston FS, and it hasn't worked well this year - Kurt's obviously a FS. Sure, Kurt got better, but Boston was still Boston. 

If we get a starter level SS (Jamaal Adams) from the first, he starts and makes an impact. He'll start rounding up a secondary that needs a solid communicator, and we have a solid starting group of safeties with one decent backup.

Plus, I don't think Gettleman will ignore OT for long - getting a project OT in the 3rd or so is logical. Your argument that it has to be a 1st rounder is quite illogical; it'd be an obvious reach and I don't see an immediate impact.

As far as Gettleman's draft - he hasn't gotten a chance to even pick a top 15 pick; Hurney has had plenty of chances. Of course his picks would be better so far.

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Maybe he comes back as a backup. But given what I've heard about his health I hope he retires. He's apparently been having motor control problems. No need to risk your quality of life for a game when you've got millions in the bank already.

[top dawg]

52 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The thing is that Gettleman drafted for need last year at corner and it worked out for us. That slippery slope wasn't that slippery.  He still should have brought in vets as well but as a draft it was fine and we didn't suffer because there were potentially other folks out there at other positions who were better.

As for trusting all the analysts and draft experts, if they were so great then  why do so many players even in the first round bust every year. Truth is Gettleman for all his big talk hasn't really killed it in the draft.  In the first round I would give Hurney the big edge over Gettleman. Now the whole trading picks to get Otah and Brown was desperation but in the first round he was usually very good.

Gettleman's strength is in pro personnel not the college draft.

Damn, man, you had the audacity to say that Hurney's first round drafts were better...really...?

 

 

 

 

J/K

 That's something that I also believe, though I suspect that many would disagree. Where I kind of disagree with your post is that I do think that we lost out on a guy or two because of Gettleman going off script of drafting the BPA. Admittedly I don't know, but I suspect that we could have gotten Bradberry and definitely Worley a round later. I especially take issue with the Worley pick because we moved up to get him. Now, honestly, I haven't looked at all we the players we could have had (and developed), but I would have liked to have had Tyler Higbee, Austin Hooper, Carl Nassib, Kenneth Dixon or Kenyan Drake  (with either the round 3 or 4 pick).

As an aside, I think (but will never know) that we may have been able to get Hunter Henry in the first, moved up to get Butler in the second (if we just had to have him) and gotten Bradberry in the third. But, like I said, it's all speculation.

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2 hours ago, top dawg said:

As an aside, I think (but will never know) that we may have been able to get Hunter Henry in the first, moved up to get Butler in the second (if we just had to have him) and gotten Bradberry in the third. But, like I said, it's all speculation.

I got a little stiff just thinking about this scenario!

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Damn, man, you had the audacity to say that Hurney's first round drafts were better...really...?

 

 

 

 

J/K

 That's something that I also believe, though I suspect that many would disagree.

Are you factoring in the spots at which they drafted?