Mike n Mike talk team building

[pantherphan96]

Just now, TheRed said:

Cap hell had nothing to do with us drafting Edmund Kugbila when right after that pick the Packers drafted a 2nd team All Pro to protect Aaron Rodgers.

We aren't in cap hell. We weren't in cap hell last year either. That's a cop out.

Rivera shares as much blame too, he is overly loyal to mediocre players.

I'm talking about why we didn't immediately surround Cam with good players. Cap hell, long term LT retires along with couple other OL, star DE goes off the deep end, etc.

Of course there have been misses in the draft and we failed to protect Cam but its not like there was a stacked FA for OL and secondary.

[pantherclaw]

18 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

Every team in the NFL doesn't have a cam newton. Can make the case no team ever has

You miss the point. 

Thanks to the CBA, it is impossible to quickly assemble, and keep talent together for.more than a couple of years. 

I'd ask you age, but I already have a good idea that you weren't a NFL fan pre salery cap.  

I'm going to use the example of an oline, to drive the point home.  If you spend high draft picks assembling an oline, by the time you get your finial pieces in place, the eldest player on the line either moves on due to a better contract from another team, or the player retires. 

This is a unit that only consists of 5 players. Thanks to the CBA, it is impossible to keep a great line together for more than a few years.  

There are still another 17 starters, and the rest of the team to consider. 

It is finiancially impossible to do what you desire, thanks to the Salary Cap.

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

I'm talking about why we didn't immediately surround Cam with good players. Cap hell, long term LT retires along with couple other OL, star DE goes off the deep end, etc.

Of course there have been misses in the draft and we failed to protect Cam but its not like there was a stacked FA for OL and secondary.

Bottom line. We can do more offensively. We must do more.

Panthers fans sitting around patting each other on the back in the midst of a 6 win season after a Super Bowl appearance, and steadfastly trying to convince themselves that we did enough are a perfect example of the loser mindset that festered here in 2010 and will keep this franchise from reaching another Super Bowl.

[Krovvy]

2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Gettleman got here in 2013. Having to get to work on the cap hell that strapped the panthers for years. He cleared it up. Getting KB, Funch, Trai, Ginn, Norwell, Remmers, Oher on a budget was all he could do. What do you expect with little to no money? The little wealth that was available can only be spread out so much. He's got money now. let's sit back and see what he does. If he doesn't do anything this off season to help Cam, then I'll definitely grab a pitch fork and march with ya'll. 

What about the extra 20 million in cap space the Panther's let sit this past year?

I have a feeling next year it's going to be same discussion about how there was nothing Gettleman could do. How there were no free agents worth signing, and how the draft was weak. At the same time the Panther's draft picks will always need three years to develop, but anyone selected by another team is a bust by week four.

Just think if Cam didn't have Greg Olsen?

[Snake]

Dave got a Superbowl run out of a team that was cash strapped and low on overall talent. Mike and Mike are talk show hosts. I think I will stick with the Gman. 

[AceBoogie]

8 minutes ago, Snake said:

Dave got a Superbowl run out of a team that was cash strapped and low on overall talent. Mike and Mike are talk show hosts. I think I will stick with the Gman. 

They're actually hall of fame radio hosts of one of the most successful shows in the country. Gman couldn't get a gm job for the last 30 years

[Ivan The Awesome]

34 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

What about the extra 20 million in cap space the Panther's let sit this past year?

I have a feeling next year it's going to be same discussion about how there was nothing Gettleman could do. How there were no free agents worth signing, and how the draft was weak. At the same time the Panther's draft picks will always need three years to develop, but anyone selected by another team is a bust by week four.

Just think if Cam didn't have Greg Olsen?

 

What about it? Did that 15-1 season really merit the use of it? How do you know he won't use it for the next coming season for the betterment of the team? 

You're really doing Dave a great disservice by not even acknowledging, KB, Funch, Oher, Ginn, Trai, Norwell, Brown, Larsen, etc players that have helped Cam. You make it seem like he's not helping him. Is it enough? Probably not anymore, defenses have figured it out and they are getting much faster. Which is what the current tackles have problems with. 

 

The one that I don't believe is helping him at the moment, is shula. Hopefully, Gettleman and Rivera listen to him and get him what he 'needs' to succeed. Next season is going to be telling for sure. 

[grimesgoat]

It never ceases to amaze how some folks whine about Dave not doing anything about the offensive line.  He inherited no money and a retiring Gross.  This is what he did:

• RT: Remmers/Williams for Byron Bell
• RG: Trai Turner for Gary WIlliams
• C: Kalil for Kalil
• LG: Norwell for Silatolu
• LT: Oher for Retired Gross

Waiting to replace these 2012 studs we had Chandler, Byers, Campbell, Pollak, and Zack Williams.  Now we have Larsen, Gradkowski, Yankey, and Remmers as backups.  Night and Day

I think Dave does not get enough credit for rebuilding this disaster and I'd be stunned if he did not continue this work with another tackle in the 3rd or 4th this year. 

Meanwhile everyone points to the cowboys as the standard.  But that is about to change significantly.  Smiths cap hit is going from 6.8 mil to 15.8mil next year.  Frederic is going from 2.2 to 14.9 mil.  Free is going from 4.5 to 7.5 mil.  Leary is a free agent so he'll get paid by someone.  Martin is still pretty cheap at 2.9.

[outlaw4]

A bit of an aside but it's funny to read a thread title that refers to Mike and Mike and team building and then read news that Greenberg is leaving for his own show on ESPN.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

They're actually hall of fame radio hosts of one of the most successful shows in the country. Gman couldn't get a gm job for the last 30 years

But the key word is radio hosts. About the same difference as winning gold in special Olympics and winning Bronze in the Olympics. 

[AceBoogie]

5 minutes ago, Snake said:

But the key word is radio hosts. About the same difference as winning gold in special Olympics and winning Bronze in the Olympics. 

Eh not really, Golic is a former player and Greeny worked his way up as a journalists covering sports. Both are more than qualified to speak on team building.

[AceBoogie]

7 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

A bit of an aside but it's funny to read a thread title that refers to Mike and Mike and team building and then read news that Greenberg is leaving for his own show on ESPN.

Dan Lebatard kind of let the secret go a while back, I think its more of a company change to stay ahead of the curve.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Eh not really, Golic is a former player and Greeny worked his way up as a journalists covering sports. Both are more than qualified to speak on team building.

 

Oh yeah.  Just like Matt Millen.

[AceBoogie]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh yeah.  Just like Matt Millen.

Its been in the works for a while