Biggest Hurdle For The Panthers Return to SB?

[ickmule]

21 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

This^^^.

League has figured ouhow to rattle Cam's cage.  Falcons gave the blueprint to the Broncos before the Super Bowl and the league has been relentlessly pounding him ever since.  Coaching staff continues to run long developing plays leaving Cam on an island by himself.

Some NFL teams are more than the sum of their parts thanks to excellent coaching... Panthers aren't one of them.

The above is the reason I say our window slammed shut. This team will not make another super bowl with this staff. Back to mediocrity we go. 

[raleigh-panther]

Said it before and I'll say it again, Panthers offense looks labored and lucky to move  the ball in 2016. Everything is slow, all of it.  It is downright painful to watcH. 

Outside  of the guards, there isn't an offensive position that doesn't need an upgrade  and as far as Newton goes, it remains to be seen if his mind and heart and passion and commitment is on working on his day job to get that ring.   I am not so sure anymore. Time will tell

wonderful to be out of salary cap hell but our happy asses are sitting home. 

Do something Gettleman, or leave and take Ron with you . The running team that can't run. Pitiful

[KillerKat]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And I really don't get that.

Prior to his coming here, there was nobody better than Rivera when it came to taking down the league's top passers. Heck, if he didn't own Peyton outright, he at least had a lease with an option to buy.

His Charger defenses weren't necessarily the most talented, but they knew what they needed to do to win. I said to myself watching some of their games that here was a guy who knew exactly how to find your weakness and exploit it, big time.

Since Rivera took over the Panthers, there have been times when I've felt like that was true (more so on defense than offense) but it hasn't been consistent.

What happened to that guy who could scheme to take away all the best quarterbacks?

Complacency? 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

2 minutes ago, ickmule said:

The above is the reason I say our window slammed shut. This team will not make another super bowl with this staff. Back to mediocrity we go. 

You may be right, but I certainly hope not.

IMO Ron's staff is about average to slightly above average in comparison to other teams in the league.

Given most of the right personnel, avoiding injuries and throwing in a little luck, Ron can be dangerous.  

However, unless his job is in the balance, he's not known for shifting on the fly and making lemons out of lemonade 

He is basically John Fox 2.0., above average, but not great.

[Eazy-E]

Coaching

[NanuqoftheNorth]

5 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Panthers offense looks labored and lucky to move  the ball in 2016. Everything is slow, all of it.  It is downright painful to watcH. 

This^^^.  Panthers often look like they are wearing lead shoes out there.  It is a marvel to watch some of these offenses in the playoffs running like well oiled machines.  Seems like night and day.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

Complacency? 

If I were to point to anything, I'd probably say loss of confidence.

The things he tried here in his first two years didn't go very well. And somewhere in that process, he changed as a coach. Lost his aggressiveness, lost confidence in his schemes, lost his mojo...whatever you call it the results are the same.

Said it before and I'll say it again: That guy who introduced himself in his first press conference is not the same guy who's coaching the team right now.

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Said it before and I'll say it again: That guy who introduced himself in his first press conference is not the same guy who's coaching the team right now.

I think Ron found a formula that worked, but now that the league has figured out how to counter act it, he has failed to adjust.

[KillerKat]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If I were to point to anything, I'd probably say loss of confidence.

The things he tried here in his first two years didn't go very well. And somewhere in that process, he changed as a coach. Lost his aggressiveness, lost confidence in his schemes, lost his mojo...whatever you call it the results are the same.

Said it before and I'll say it again: That guy who introduced himself in his first press conference is not the same guy who's coaching the team right now.

 

I remember him saying we're going to do what we want on offense and dictate to other teams or something like that.

[*FreeFua*]

Our coaching staff.

[beastson]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And I really don't get that.

Prior to his coming here, there was nobody better than Rivera when it came to taking down the league's top passers. Heck, if he didn't own Peyton outright, he at least had a lease with an option to buy.

His Charger defenses weren't necessarily the most talented, but they knew what they needed to do to win. I said to myself watching some of their games that here was a guy who knew exactly how to find your weakness and exploit it, big time.

Since Rivera took over the Panthers, there have been times when I've felt like that was true (more so on defense than offense) but it hasn't been consistent.

What happened to that guy who could scheme to take away all the best quarterbacks?

What are we talking here, offensively or defensively?

Defensively, if you gave them the talent, they could do some things on defense. We go through lapses of going conservative, like prevent D when we get a lead and constant zone coverage when man would have been better

Offensively, I never understood how Ron can see what defenses are doing to frustrate our offense and not know how to counter it.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

3 minutes ago, beastson said:

Offensively, I never understood how Ron can see what defenses are doing to frustrate our offense and not know how to counter it.

This^^^.  Especially after a year of seeing it.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, beastson said:

What are we talking here, offensively or defensively?

Defensively, if you gave them the talent, they could do some things on defense. We go through lapses of going conservative, like prevent D when we get a lead and constant zone coverage when man would have been better

Offensively, I never understood how Ron can see what defenses are doing to frustrate our offense and not know how to counter it.

I'm not convinced he tried.

When he first got here, Rivera described "balance" as the flexibility to be able to do whatever you needed to do to beat the other team. But the reality was he never ran the games that way.

What happened instead was that he became a guy who just said "we're going to do what we do regardless of what the other team does". Which is cool and all, unless what the other team is doing happens to be kicking your ass.

At that point you may want to... oh, I don't know... maybe think about trying something different?

[TheRed]

Things change really quickly in the NFL.

We should know that firsthand.

Best thing we can do right now is make an all in effort of patching up our OL, and getting our offense back to form.

We can add in defensive pieces here and there, but we have the core to compete with any team.

Overall this isn't a one problem issue. It isn't one player, one coach, a gm, it is a Carolina Panthers issue. We have to change the way we operate for the better for good.