Cap savings IF we cut Stewart, Gano, and Dickson

[gorillamilitia13]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

   So we should throw away almost 4M because he's been here? I think we've overpaid JS plenty in his time in CAR. Why are people having a hard time with this?  

How is paying 4 M to the number 1 rated blocking back by PFF, our best running back by miles, who has great instincts, is also one of the most physical backs in the league "throwing money away". Lets say we can't draft Fournette and also get rid of Stew, then what? I obviously wouldn't mind us restructring his contract but letting him go would be asinine.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

How is paying 4 M to the number 1 rated blocking back by PFF, our best running back by miles, who has great instincts, is also one of the most physical backs in the league "throwing money away". Lets say we can't draft Fournette and also get rid of Stew, then what? I obviously wouldn't mind us restructring his contract but letting him go would be asinine.

     Does anyone actually read threads? 

 

    Once again......That 4M is the savings if we cut and re-sign him or restructured at similar numbers. If we were to actually cut him, the savings would be 6.2M. Please try to keep up.

[gorillamilitia13]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

     Does anyone actually read threads? 

 

    Once again......That 4M is the savings if we cut and re-sign him or restructured at similar numbers. If we were to actually cut him, the savings would be 6.2M. Please try to keep up.

Either way my point on why we should retain him still stands. With a restructred deal or not. I may have misunderstood what you were saying. I've never been one to really follow and keep up with salary's, contracts, and salary caps.

[csx]

Your plan is perfect. Is that what you want to hear? Flawless

[Guest Lasus83]

The other FAs were just for an example. Obviously there are many ways to maneuver the cap. But there is no logical reason to pay him his full cap hit this year. That's all I was saying. And have yet to see anything that would change that. A restructuring is the same as I'm talking about. Whatever gets that 4M off the books. We've been waiting forever to get rid of his contract. Finally it's financially responsible to do it. 

     

    

I have been looking forward to this offseason, where we could finally get out from under that contract, for years too.

In previous years, I figured it was the clear offseason to cut him. Now, I think the restructure approach is better.

Like I said... I was like you in that I called him an oft injured player. But I have seen the figures on his playing time and what he means to this offense.

Jstew and Fournette running behind a healthy oline is the number 1 thing that 31 other teams do not want to see.

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[Toomers]

10 minutes ago, csx said:

Your plan is perfect. Is that what you want to hear? Flawless

    What do you want to hear? I'm wrong for wanting to have the same player for less money? Let's just go with your idea of paying him for no good reason.

[TheSpecialJuan]

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/carolina-panthers

[TheSpecialJuan]

Just now, TheSpecialJuan said:

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/carolina-panthers

currently at $50.7 million under cap.

[pantherclaw]

It's a crime how undervalued Stew is.

[panthers55]

Stew isn't going anywhere this year but if we draft Fournette, this could be his last. We aren't going to restructure unless we really need the cap space to sign players but let's be real here, you don't have 50 million in cap space if you use all your money signing folks and keeping your core without letting important cogs get away.

[buck11]

Cut oher and dickson

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[Udogg]

12 hours ago, panther4life said:

Let's say we saved the 4.75 million and reinvested another 2 million on top of it for an upgrade. That would literally be enough to sign all but maybe the top 3-5 backs in the league.

Or let's say it gets down to the wire and we are 1 million apart per year on KK on a 5 year deal vs having to let him walk. I'd rather use that savings and keep KK. 

5 million in cap space can go a long way in the NFL. Hell only 7 players outside of Stewart on our whole team have a cap hit over 3.8 million and one of them is Gano

My whole point is who?

Laveon Bell?  Even Master P wouldn't make that deal as an agent for 7 mill. 

 Adrianne Peterson?  That aint happening... 

Eddie Lacy? ...giggles..  nah

Latavius Murray?  Maybe?  

Danny Woodhead? hahahha

Isaiah Crowell? errrr...

Chris Thompson?   ....pfft... I'm just being facetious at this point. (heard that word on TV ..had to use it today). 

 

 

Every other FA runningback is not even worth mentioning.  So Get rid of JS, for a 5 mill saving, invest that in ...I guess the only option is Latavius Murray,   That's not an upgrade or downgrade in my opinion.   That's also if he signs for less than 7 million....   

If we had a viable replacement, or clearly and up grade for JS then I agree.  But cutting someone for the sake of cutting them, just in case you need a million dollars to keep KK?  When we are 50 mill over the cap? 

Not getting it man..... 

 

[Udogg]

6 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Stew isn't going anywhere this year but if we draft Fournette, this could be his last. We aren't going to restructure unless we really need the cap space to sign players but let's be real here, you don't have 50 million in cap space if you use all your money signing folks and keeping your core without letting important cogs get away.

Don't see why after this year.  Next year his cap number is only 2.5 million.  Unless there is a 'dramatic" drop in production, it would make even more sense to keep him next year as a inexpensive piece. 

[MHS831]

14 hours ago, Felipe Vieira said:

Gano, Dickson and Lee i'm all in.

 

Stew, no way. 

Time to let go.  Stew, on his $36m contract, averaged 44.75 yards per game over the first 4 years that deal.  That comes to about $11K per yard gained.

Why people think he is a keeper is beyond me.  

At age 27, NFL RBs run off the "Cliff", when production drops at a rate of about 20% per year on average. 

For example, we held on to Stephen Davis for 2 years after he ran for 1400 yards in 2003--taking us to the Super Bowl.  The next 2 seasons, after turning 30,  he averaged about 275 yards.  Stew has taken a beating and been injured a lot. 

I do not see the outcry to keep him.  He has undeperformed his contract.