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Article debating Offense vs Defense for Panthers

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Lasus83. Newbie

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If Fournette is gone, Thomas is next in line. We aren't trading down.

I guess we're just assuming Garrett's gone in this scenario as well...

I know that absolutely no one will agree with me but I like Barnett over Thomas in this scenario.

They're both Dynamite and Thomas clearly has the measurable advantage. Every time I compare the two I just can't not give the edge to Barnett based on resume.

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2 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

If Fournette is gone, Thomas is next in line. We aren't trading down.

Agreed. We haven't chosen this high in 5 years. I don't think we trade down and risk losing one of the guys that we want. We know that Gettleman has no problems moving up to get the guy that he wants but thus far we have never seen him move down. 

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17 minutes ago, Lasus83. said:

I know that absolutely no one will agree with me but I like Barnett over Thomas in this scenario.

They're both Dynamite and Thomas clearly has the measurable advantage. Every time I compare the two I just can't not give the edge to Barnett based on resume.

Just curious, but what about Thomas don't you like that puts Barnett over him? I'll gladly admit that I didn't watch much, if any, college ball last year. But I did manage to watch a bit of the combine DE drills, and to me, Solomon looked very fluid and explosive in his movement. I know it's track star goodness in gym shorts, but he just looked very fast and smooth out there. More so than Barnett to me.

 

Is there anything that sticks out as an issue to you, or just the level of competition he played against here?

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It really depends on what we want to be. If we want to build the best defense in the NFL to win a Super Bowl, then we should do that. If we want to build the best offense, then we should do that. I feel like we should commit to one or the other, pump all of our picks and money into it, and do it. Going back and forth picking a WR one year and a DT the next year and very slowly filling holes isn't going to work well, in my opinion.

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22 minutes ago, rodeo said:

It really depends on what we want to be. If we want to build the best defense in the NFL to win a Super Bowl, then we should do that. If we want to build the best offense, then we should do that. I feel like we should commit to one or the other, pump all of our picks and money into it, and do it. Going back and forth picking a WR one year and a DT the next year and very slowly filling holes isn't going to work well, in my opinion.

I think our offense and defense are each good enough to win the SB now...especially the defense.  But we can definitely add some pieces to improve those odds.  Offensively, we need another playmaker or two (and I would love a guy that can blow the top off), so a RB, TE, or WR would be a nice get.  A developmental OT would be nice, but I don't think there is anyone we can get that will have much of an impact this year.  I think our defense is a little better right now, but we need to bring in some guys for the future that can rotate in this year. 

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Just curious, but what about Thomas don't you like that puts Barnett over him? I'll gladly admit that I didn't watch much, if any, college ball last year. But I did manage to watch a bit of the combine DE drills, and to me, Solomon looked very fluid and explosive in his movement. I know it's track star goodness in gym shorts, but he just looked very fast and smooth out there. More so than Barnett to me.
 
Is there anything that sticks out as an issue to you, or just the level of competition he played against here?

Both him and Barnette have the motor and get accused of production based on their ability to guess the snap count. Both have the makings of very productive DEs at the next level

However, Barnett did it against SEC talent for 3 years... And his resume against that talent is insane.

Thomas is more fluid... in drills and on tape.

Both have not hit their physical ceilings.

But Barnetts locker room reviews (intangables) and consistent production (versus only 1 season of "top-tier pass rushing"), puts him above IMHO.

I hope teams picking 1-7 disagree with me

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Wouldn't mind Barnett, Thomas, or Lattimore(no particular order) in the first, then grab either baker or obi in the second. Use the rest of the draft on offense.
 
 
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This is a damn deep defensive back draft.

However, if we assume no trading is done, Rod Johnson and Perine with the next two picks would not make me upset

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I've watched some film on Barnett. Still not sure what to make of it. The production on paper is undeniable. Don't see elite athleticism, but I saw consistent production and backfield disruption. Not sure what to make of Solomon Thomas, that bowl game vs PSU and the combine have boosted him dramatically. Had 3-4 sacks that game if I remember. Great talent, wouldn't mind either. 

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The first 2 rounds are full of good players.  Trading up and losing several guys does not make sense.

Because of guys on one year deals, FA losses, cuts and injuries, we need a RB, RT, DE, S, LB and CB and possibly, yes another DT

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