Report: Panthers Have Interest In McCaffery As Their 8th Pick

[gmonjimbo]

I don't know if someone mentioned this but Undisputed on FOX talked about the reports that Panthers are interested in McCaffery, Shannon said when "he thinks about the Panthers offense I don't think imaginative ". Maybe taking McCaffery will be revolutionary for this offense. 

[Shocker]

16 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Bronn - I respect your posts on here more than most, so I am asking this in all sincerity.

Lots of folks say our OC can't use the players we've got to their strengths.  Who specifically do you mean and how is he screwing this up?  I know Cam came in as a dual-threat QB and he's well on his way to breaking all the QB rushing records for TDs, Yds, 1st downs, etc..  He's got a talented TE that just set a record with 3 straight years with 1000+ yds.  He's got a big bruising WR that's played all of 2 years and has about a thousand yards in each.

What super talent has he been given that he did not utilize correctly?

I hear crickets

[therealmjl]

22 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Bronn - I respect your posts on here more than most, so I am asking this in all sincerity.

Lots of folks say our OC can't use the players we've got to their strengths.  Who specifically do you mean and how is he screwing this up?  I know Cam came in as a dual-threat QB and he's well on his way to breaking all the QB rushing records for TDs, Yds, 1st downs, etc..  He's got a talented TE that just set a record with 3 straight years with 1000+ yds.  He's got a big bruising WR that's played all of 2 years and has about a thousand yards in each.

What super talent has he been given that he did not utilize correctly?

Whew....*crickets*

 

nice serve

[OneBadCat]

Mccaffrey solves a lot of problems. He'd be a good PR,KR, change of pace back and fixes the screen game. He potentially mask a lot if problems on offense with his ability to score which would take some pressure off the team on both sides of the ball. 

My guess is that Dave has a plan depending on how the draft falls. We take Mccaffrey then we probably don't take Ross. We take Fournette, Mccaffrey gets picked. Then we trade back up to nab Ross.  We take Adams or Barnett, then we take the second round guys we've been looking at etc.

Either way this ends up I think this is a good draft for us. 

[Shocker]

I am suddenly HATING the idea of taking Barnett.  Do not want.

[MHS831]

Trade back with a team needing a QB (#8 is about where the top QBs start coming into play).  Take McCaffrey and trade up for Owens. 

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15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Trade back with a team needing a QB (#8 is about where the top QBs start coming into play).  Take McCaffrey and trade up for Owens. 

Owens?  Terrell?

[steven8989]

You guys are getting caught up on the fact saying mccaffrey and fozzy have the same skill sets. Im not saying that. Im saying the role would be the same in our offense. And dont worry, no one here is quitting their day job to post on a forum full of arm chair GMs. Thank God.

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They would not use McCaffrey the same as they use fozzy. I don't believe that for a second. He would get played in the slot and fozzy definitely can't do that.

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[Diehardpanther02]

They would not use McCaffrey the same as they use fozzy. I don't believe that for a second. He would get played in the slot and fozzy definitely can't do that.

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Im not opposed to having him on the roster he is a very talented roster. All that i am saying is that his value lies in an offense that throws more than we do. Im not sure with his size he can be an effective runner between the tackles unless he has an oline that can give him openings. I think late first early second is his value, but thats just my opinion and you knw what they say about those.

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[Bronn]

1 hour ago, grimesgoat said:

Bronn - I respect your posts on here more than most, so I am asking this in all sincerity.

Lots of folks say our OC can't use the players we've got to their strengths.  Who specifically do you mean and how is he screwing this up?  I know Cam came in as a dual-threat QB and he's well on his way to breaking all the QB rushing records for TDs, Yds, 1st downs, etc..  He's got a talented TE that just set a record with 3 straight years with 1000+ yds.  He's got a big bruising WR that's played all of 2 years and has about a thousand yards in each.

What super talent has he been given that he did not utilize correctly?

lol forgive me for stepping away from the keyboard for a while and letting the crickets take over...

But, in recent years our run game is pretty much non-existent, and our pass game is uninspiring. Overall, our offense is just not that imaginative, dated, and it is tailored to have the players play to its strengths, not play to players' strengths.

There's a reason people complain about all our "runs up the middle." That is because probably 90% of our run plays are between the tackles. We downgraded Tolbert's role in that system last year and made other changes in the formations a bit that made us weaker in the backfield, and we didn't adjust the play calls or designs. For instance, when Stewart is out, we call the same plays for Fozzy and CAP, who are basically opposite types of backs, and are more suited for outside runs or being factors in the passing game (which we rarely ever, it seems, lately, incorporate any backs into anymore.)

As far as our WRs go. Benji regressed. That is on him a lot but it is the system too. Funch didn't explode like a lot thought he would. Our route tree for him, be it because of his skillset or not, and for any of our WRs for that matter, is just plain meh.

We don't adapt and adjust, in any part of the offense, either during the game or gameplanning. It is the same poo every week and other teams are too smart for that. That is why our OL and Cam get eaten alive moreso than lack of talent.

As much as I hate it, Cam Newton is more dangerous when he's a threat to run. What does our OC and HC do? Try to hold him back. Why? I don't know, because he's getting hit harder and more often than when we allow him more freedom in the pocket. If you want to say you are going to mold him into more of a passer, then fine. Give him some quick route options, and don't force him to drop back 5-7 steps every play with a makeshift OL in front of him. There's vivid memories of Cam getting killed over and over in games but not a single WR or TE or RB out of the backfield is providing a quick read/route option that is anything spectacularly designed.

Ginn had probably the most dynamic tree, but we used him mostly for fade or go routes. He was arguably more successful on quick routes when we provided YAC potential. But no, run 20+ yards downfield every passing play, Ted. While you do that, Kelvin will be running a 20+ yard route on the other side of the field, and we'll probably send Funch on a 20 yard slant in the middle of the field and run Greg on a crossing 20+ yard hook. You see what I mean?

We just run a bland, totally unimaginative offense with potential superstars (Cam, Kelvin, and Greg primarily) and get equitable hit-miss results.

I swear, last year's Shula would buy a box of Neapolitan ice cream and eat all the vanilla, and get pissed if he scraped off a tiny sliver of chocolate or strawberry onto his spoon in the process of consuming it.

ETA: Throw Christian McCaffrey into the mix with the #8 pick and all he'll be doing if Shula doesn't change is filling Ginn's role, but doing a rook's job of it.

Draft Fournette or someone else to be the future at RB and get McCaffrey later on, and then maybe it will be worth the experiment. But that is what he is at this point for the Mike Shula Carolina Panthers offense... An experiment.

You don't do experiments at #8. Same logic applies to Jabrill Peppers on defense.

[Diehardpanther02]

Im not opposed to having him on the roster he is a very talented player. And I enjoyed watching him play. All that i am saying is that his value lies in an offense that throws more than we do. Im not sure with his size he can be an effective runner between the tackles unless he has an oline that can give him openings. I think late first early second is his value, but thats just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions


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[grimesgoat]

15 minutes ago, Bronn said:

lol forgive me for stepping away from the keyboard for a while and letting the crickets take over...

But, in recent years our run game is pretty much non-existent, and our pass game is uninspiring. Overall, our offense is just not that imaginative, dated, and it is tailored to have the players play to its strengths, not play to players' strengths.

There's a reason people complain about all our "runs up the middle." That is because probably 90% of our run plays are between the tackles. We downgraded Tolbert's role in that system last year and made other changes in the formations a bit that made us weaker in the backfield, and we didn't adjust the play calls or designs. For instance, when Stewart is out, we call the same plays for Fozzy and CAP, who are basically opposite types of backs, and are more suited for outside runs or being factors in the passing game (which we rarely ever, it seems, lately, incorporate any backs into anymore.)

As far as our WRs go. Benji regressed. That is on him a lot but it is the system too. Funch didn't explode like a lot thought he would. Our route tree for him, be it because of his skillset or not, and for any of our WRs for that matter, is just plain meh.

We don't adapt and adjust, in any part of the offense, either during the game or gameplanning. It is the same poo every week and other teams are too smart for that. That is why our OL and Cam get eaten alive moreso than lack of talent.

As much as I hate it, Cam Newton is more dangerous when he's a threat to run. What does our OC and HC do? Try to hold him back. Why? I don't know, because he's getting hit harder and more often than when we allow him more freedom in the pocket. If you want to say you are going to mold him into more of a passer, then fine. Give him some quick route options, and don't force him to drop back 5-7 steps every play with a makeshift OL in front of him. There's vivid memories of Cam getting killed over and over in games but not a single WR or TE or RB out of the backfield is providing a quick read/route option that is anything spectacularly designed.

Ginn had probably the most dynamic tree, but we used him mostly for fade or go routes. He was arguably more successful on quick routes when we provided YAC potential. But no, run 20+ yards downfield every passing play, Ted. While you do that, Kelvin will be running a 20+ yard route on the other side of the field, and we'll probably send Funch on a 20 yard slant in the middle of the field and run Greg on a crossing 20+ yard hook. You see what I mean?

We just run a bland, totally unimaginative offense with potential superstars (Cam, Kelvin, and Greg primarily) and get equitable hit-miss results.

I swear, last year's Shula would buy a box of Neapolitan ice cream and eat all the vanilla, and get pissed if he scraped off a tiny sliver of chocolate or strawberry onto his spoon in the process of consuming it.

ETA: Throw Christian McCaffrey into the mix with the #8 pick and all he'll be doing if Shula doesn't change is filling Ginn's role, but doing a rook's job of it.

Draft Fournette or someone else to be the future at RB and get McCaffrey later on, and then maybe it will be worth the experiment. But that is what he is at this point for the Mike Shula Carolina Panthers offense... An experiment.

You don't do experiments at #8. Same logic applies to Jabrill Peppers on defense.

great response, thanks.  Couple of follow-ups:

We agree the panthers offense is fairly plain.  And certainly the other team has it much easier without the threat of Cam running.  But I'm not sure this is because Shula is not capable of an imaginative scheme.  I think this is how the Panthers want to play.  They don't want to out-think you, they want to grind you down.  They pound the ball up the middle, not because they can't think of anything better to do, but because it will pay off later.  Its a 60 minute war.

Some teams approach football like its a game of skill.  Panthers approach is that football is a game of will.  Win in the trenches.  Be more physical.  Wear your opponent down.  Maintain the ball.  Get first downs.  Control the clock.  Build a working margin.  Then in the end - grind out the clock and leave your opponent physically defeated.  If your defense has to make a stop, it should be more rested if the offense has done what it is supposed to do.

I don't want the Panthers to pick McCaffrey at 8.  If you can't trade back, you have to pick BPA there, and I don't believe that that is McC.  I believe he could help this offense, but I don't believe the endgame is to be dynamic anyway.  Panthers just want to keep you guessing enough to grind out 6 minute drives.  McCaffrey can help you with that, probably much more than Ginn.

 

 

[therealmjl]

48 minutes ago, Bronn said:

lol forgive me for stepping away from the keyboard for a while and letting the crickets take over...

But, in recent years our run game is pretty much non-existent, and our pass game is uninspiring. Overall, our offense is just not that imaginative, dated, and it is tailored to have the players play to its strengths, not play to players' strengths.

There's a reason people complain about all our "runs up the middle." That is because probably 90% of our run plays are between the tackles. We downgraded Tolbert's role in that system last year and made other changes in the formations a bit that made us weaker in the backfield, and we didn't adjust the play calls or designs. For instance, when Stewart is out, we call the same plays for Fozzy and CAP, who are basically opposite types of backs, and are more suited for outside runs or being factors in the passing game (which we rarely ever, it seems, lately, incorporate any backs into anymore.)

As far as our WRs go. Benji regressed. That is on him a lot but it is the system too. Funch didn't explode like a lot thought he would. Our route tree for him, be it because of his skillset or not, and for any of our WRs for that matter, is just plain meh.

We don't adapt and adjust, in any part of the offense, either during the game or gameplanning. It is the same poo every week and other teams are too smart for that. That is why our OL and Cam get eaten alive moreso than lack of talent.

As much as I hate it, Cam Newton is more dangerous when he's a threat to run. What does our OC and HC do? Try to hold him back. Why? I don't know, because he's getting hit harder and more often than when we allow him more freedom in the pocket. If you want to say you are going to mold him into more of a passer, then fine. Give him some quick route options, and don't force him to drop back 5-7 steps every play with a makeshift OL in front of him. There's vivid memories of Cam getting killed over and over in games but not a single WR or TE or RB out of the backfield is providing a quick read/route option that is anything spectacularly designed.

Ginn had probably the most dynamic tree, but we used him mostly for fade or go routes. He was arguably more successful on quick routes when we provided YAC potential. But no, run 20+ yards downfield every passing play, Ted. While you do that, Kelvin will be running a 20+ yard route on the other side of the field, and we'll probably send Funch on a 20 yard slant in the middle of the field and run Greg on a crossing 20+ yard hook. You see what I mean?

We just run a bland, totally unimaginative offense with potential superstars (Cam, Kelvin, and Greg primarily) and get equitable hit-miss results.

I swear, last year's Shula would buy a box of Neapolitan ice cream and eat all the vanilla, and get pissed if he scraped off a tiny sliver of chocolate or strawberry onto his spoon in the process of consuming it.

ETA: Throw Christian McCaffrey into the mix with the #8 pick and all he'll be doing if Shula doesn't change is filling Ginn's role, but doing a rook's job of it.

Draft Fournette or someone else to be the future at RB and get McCaffrey later on, and then maybe it will be worth the experiment. But that is what he is at this point for the Mike Shula Carolina Panthers offense... An experiment.

You don't do experiments at #8. Same logic applies to Jabrill Peppers on defense.

Crickets would have typed a shorter response

[tiger7_88]

8 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

 They don't want to out-think you, they want to grind you down.  They pound the ball up the middle, not because they can't think of anything better to do, but because it will pay off later.  Its a 60 minute war.

God, this is the truth.  Ron has two enemies every game, the opponent and the damn clock.  (And three if you count the voice inside his head always telling him "Punts and field goals are great plays!!!!.... Punts and field goals are just fiiiiiiiiine!!!")

I fugging hate it.  

Rivera's philosophy has always seemed to be if you can just keep putting off losing long enough to let the clock run out, you win!